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'Community' newsgroup proposed for RISC OS users

By Chris Williams. Published: 5th Aug 2005, 15:11:46 | Permalink | Printable

Tuning the signal to noise ratio

UsenetBacking for a new Usenet newsgroup for the RISC OS community is currently being sought by Chris Evans of dealer CJE. The current comp.sys.acorn newsgroups have a strict charter that forbids the discussion of any topic outside of the realm of RISC OS, and Chris believes there should be a new, friendlier group created for 'off topic' posts.

The comp.sys.acorn newsgroups have been recently plagued with discussions on cars, Microsoft Windows programming, cars, which postal courier is best, cars and what to do about battery acid in a calculator.

In his proposal, Chris said, "Acorn/RISC OS users are a community, the community was brought together by their common usage of RISC OS but the relationships now extend well past our common use of RISC OS, with many people seeking and giving advice on non Acorn/RISC OS topics on and off the newsgroups."

Following a discussion on comp.sys.acorn.misc, in which it was made clear that topics outside of computing do not belong inside the comp.sys hierarchy, Chris told us: "I believe the consensus is that a proper newsgroup would be the appropriate way forward. The only discussion left I think is the name".

Potential new newsgroup names include alt.riscos.community and alt.acorn.community, or possibly the hijacking of alt.archimedes.bugs. Chris has called for someone to volunteer to write the new group's charter.

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alt.riscos.community sounds good to me, the use of the word Acorn is something IMHO that we need to get away from, don't get me wrong I don't think we should forget Acorn (like we ever could) but i believe that we all should refer to the community today as the RISC OS community after all we've moved on and a lot of us use machines that Acorn never dreamed of let alone built (Iyonix, A9Home, VirtualRPC) but they all have RISC OS in common as do the community

 is a RISC OS Userleeshep on 5/8/05 3:39PM
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alt.riscos.community sounds the best name to me, and hopefuly it will get rid of of topic post on the comp.sys.acorn groups.

 is a RISC OS UserRevin Kevin on 5/8/05 4:00PM
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Agreed. alt.riscos.community is sounds good.

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/8/05 4:04PM
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in reply to leeshep: You said as 'RISC OS Community', do not forget that ACORN has made the RISC OS language after all. Better call it like these ones: comp.sys.riscos.users or comp.sys.riscos.community - just a few ideas to add for it.

 is a RISC OS Userdatawave on 5/8/05 4:06PM
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No, as I understand it, we cannot use comp.sys.riscos.anything because comp.sys.* does not allow off topic discussions.

 is a RISC OS Usermaikl on 5/8/05 4:22PM
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In reply to datawave: It wouldn't be allowed for the reasons given in the article.

 is a RISC OS UserCJE on 5/8/05 4:27PM
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Of course we already have a mailing list that serves that purpose - Archive 42! That's mostly about religion though (life, the universe and everything), rather than cars (although we did once have a thread about speed cameras).

Martin

 is a RISC OS Usermrtd on 5/8/05 4:52PM
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I think that an alt.riscos.community group would be ideal for OT postings. I also agree that dropping the acorn name in this new group is a good thing. As for alt.archimedes.bugs.... the archimedes is well and truely ancient risc os history and the name bugs does not reflect any community spirit.

 is a RISC OS UserMooJuicey on 5/8/05 6:22PM
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"As for alt.archimedes.bugs.... the archimedes is well and truely ancient RISC OS history and the name bugs does not reflect any community spirit."

I'd actually quite like it. As much as anything else, it's just a fun name. And it appeals to my sense of humour. And I like ancient RISC OS history.

But then I'm odd like that. I'm sure most people would prefer alt.riscos.community.

 is a RISC OS Usermoss on 5/8/05 6:51PM
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A good idea indeed. I do like the sound of alt.riscos.community and it will allow more general wide-ranging discussions (without the usual ritual decapitations that occur at the moment when some poor unfortunate strays off topic).

Having read many articles on the csa hierarchy and the iyonix smartgroups I've come to the conclusion that there are a great many knowledgable people in the RISC OS community, now having a way for them all to talk in an unconstrained manner should throw up interesting and though provoking contributions - I must admit I am looking forward to it.

 is a RISC OS UserAMS on 6/8/05 1:29PM
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In reply to maikl: I think a lot isn't allowed in the UK. Then i have another idea, why not call it alt.riscos.users ???

 is a RISC OS Userdatawave on 6/8/05 11:57PM
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datawave: the UK was not mentioned; sadly you continue to make erronous statements because you have not fully read what was said. The comp.sys heirachy is hardly restricted to the UK.

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 7/8/05 7:44AM
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Is it really necessary to create yet another second level hierarchy in alt.*? There's a perfectly good alt.comp.sys.* hierarchy there - what about alt.comp.sys.riscos.community?

 is a RISC OS Usercaliston2 on 7/8/05 2:29PM
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alt.riscos.* sounds good to me. I'd prefer .community to .users.

btw caliston2, are you winding up our mrchocky by any chance?

 is a RISC OS Usersteelpillow on 8/8/05 9:49AM
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In reply to mrchocky: I knew, that the UK was not mentioned, but you have to think further than that.

 is a RISC OS Userdatawave on 8/8/05 9:56AM
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datawave: You're right, the UK wasn't mentioned, so why did you bring it up? Your statement simply doesn't make much sense.

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 8/8/05 10:13AM
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steelpillow: No, I'm being serious. The point of hierarchies is to aid classification. alt.* is a hierarchy just as any other. We'd be flamed for suggesting comp.riscos.*, so I don't see why alt.* is any different. I only have experience of big-8 group creation, not alt.config, but I think any discussion in alt.config is going to ask why we want to create a new second level hierarchy. In fact, they specifically discourage second level group creation in the alt creation FAQ: [link]

Just because alt.archimedes.bugs exists isn't good precedent: its propagation was bad enough that I had to ask my newsadmin to add it last week. Getting servers to carry the new group is going to be the biggest problem, and that's more likely to happen if it goes through alt.config. Hence we need to listen to what the alt.config people say.

 is a RISC OS Usercaliston2 on 8/8/05 10:53AM
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In reply to caliston2: OK, I have now woken up and spotted the difference between comp.sys.* and alt.comp.sys.* You make a good point. My apologies.

 is a RISC OS Usersteelpillow on 8/8/05 12:47PM
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In reply to MrChocky:

Is ACORN then coming from another country ? Or is RISC OS coming from another country as well ? I am 100 % sure, that it is NOT from out of the UK. And IF you say something not well on the drobe forums, you get flamed asap, which means that there is not so much possible in the UK, only moaners are flaming.

 is a RISC OS Userdatawave on 8/8/05 3:23PM
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datawave: I'm sorry, none of what you've said in these comments makes any sense at all. Perhaps you can try to make your point more clearly. I certainly don't see what relevance the UK has to naming of a RISC OS newsgroup.

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 8/8/05 4:30PM
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Further to postings above and private emails alt.riscos.community does not fall within the guidelines:-( It appears alt.comp.sys is the correct hierarchy

My first thought was should it be alt.comp.sys.riscos.community alt.comp.sys.riscos-community

But no, reading the guidlines recommends no group name more than 14 characters or creating extra levels, so any suggestions?

My first ideas: alt.comp.sys.ro-community alt.comp.sys.acorncommunity alt.comp.sys.riscosclub alt.comp.sys.zfc

The

 is a RISC OS UserCJE on 8/8/05 5:55PM
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Why not something simple like alt.comp.sys.riscos (the alt at the start differentiates it from the more formal csa hierarchy)?

 is a RISC OS UserAMS on 8/8/05 6:53PM
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alt.comp.sys.riscos seems reasonable to me; people who turn up asking hardware/software/programming/whatever stuff (having googled, or whatever) can be given advice and/or gently pointed in the direction of the correct technical group. (And at least they won't technically be off-topic:) If more divisions are needed later, there's no problem with having a.c.s.r as a newsgroup even if we also wind up with acsr.people and acsr.community....

 is a RISC OS Userchrisj on 8/8/05 8:35PM
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The word 'community' seems to be a bit redundant when it is a bit obvious thats what usenet is.

 is a RISC OS Userpiemmm on 8/8/05 9:22PM
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"Chris believes there should be a new, friendlier group created for 'off topic' posts. The comp.sys.acorn newsgroups have been recently plagued with discussions on cars, Microsoft Windows programming, cars....."

People can discuss all this and so much more on iconbar's playpen forum. :D

Be good to see more car discussions on there! ;)

[link]

 is a RISC OS UserMENTAT on 8/8/05 9:29PM
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In reply to AMS:

You said: "alt.comp.sys.riscos" THAT is a very nice one, i am agree with this one, very short indeed. Nice thinking!

 is a RISC OS Userdatawave on 9/8/05 7:59AM
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alt.comp.sys.riscos sounds fine to me too.

Will this new group be safe to post to without me getting emails from some bot about 20 year old conventions I should stick to? That would be inviting!

 is a RISC OS UserJaco on 9/8/05 3:12PM
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What about the already existing alt.fan.riscos?

 is a RISC OS UserJaco on 9/8/05 3:22PM
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Jaco: Are you referring to the type of 20 year old conventions that some people still hold dear because they results in far less of a mess than you get when people ignore them?

 is a RISC OS UserSimonC on 9/8/05 4:10PM
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SimonC: Yes some people feel that way.

 is a RISC OS UserJaco on 9/8/05 7:24PM
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