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South East show 2005 photos

By Chris Williams. Published: 22nd Oct 2005, 06:22:06 | Permalink | Printable

A fairly laid back event

Update at 14:41 23/10/2005
It can happen to the BBC and it can happen to us: Our live news feed had problems during the day, so we were unable to post updates through out the day. However, Ian the webmaster dashed down to Guildford to snap a load of photos and post an update by hand. Below are scenes from the event, and a show report will follow shortly.

A general shot of the crowds within an hour of the show opening at 10am
Paul Vigay finds his poker face while speaking to a customer. His assistant meanwhile rumbles our covert photographer
An Iyonix running RISC OS 5.10 and a set of softloaded 32bit Select modules. The filer window is in thumbnail mode
RiscCAD author David Buck and assistant bag another customer
Oregano 3 running in an emulator on display to tease the crowds
Martin Wuerthner prepares an example document for PDF export under ArtWorks
APDL's Dave tempts punters with his collection of wares
Qercus editor John Cartmell tries to recall when he last printed an issue
Castle's Jack Lillingston reminds everyone how to unpack a PC case
An Apple iMac sneaks into the show to grab some of the limelight
Schtop! This internal test version of VirtualRiscPC, it is not ready yet.
When you're as rich as Neil Spellings, you too can use two huge LCDs for your Iyonix
An A9home running in portrait display mode
Smile! You're on camera
This is a private image, delete it from your mind after looking at it
Paul Middleton takes another Select subscription
Bob Hoskins demonstrates TechWriter and EasiWriter
Two more people catch the Sudoku bug
An archive of Archive magazines
One hundred aaand eeeeighty
Lunch
R-Comp had to beat back the crowds with a stick
Chris Evans fiddling with a RiscPC
Either a bell ringing device or some kind of portable oil drill
It almost worked
The MathMagical stand never fails to impress
On the far left, Jack Lillingston reaches for another Iyonix
Show special offer for VirtualRiscPC


Thanks to everyone who stopped by our stand to say hello and gave us feedback.

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Nice photos coming in already, great news.

"Using the power of modern telecommunications and inter-computer networking"

Certainly is a very true statement. :-)

Look forward to the reports and comments soon.

 is a RISC OS UserSawadee on 22/10/05 1:03PM
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Obviously a lot going on then......

 is a RISC OS Usercynic on 23/10/05 8:14AM
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Paul Middleton used an Iyonix running a beta version of Select - some of it worked very nicely but there is still a lot to do. (IMHO) he did a very good job of outlining a clear plan. ROL are completing conversion of the code base to 32bit and then it can be fully debugged and a proper Iyonix version created (if it can be funded). A9 project effectively gives them a custome who is funding the conversion (and 80% of the work required for an Iyonix version needs to be done as part of this anyway (so DTD are in some ways subsidising an Iyonix version).

Paul also showed some nice features for the next release of select (keyboard shortcuts, searching, and more)....

Just to mention some of the bits I saw:- Spellings had some video acceleration software for the Iyonix (coming soon), Icon Technolgoy was previewing TechWriter 8.5, mw software was selling the new version of Artworks with PDF support, A9 was there and has sprouted a nice bag and lots of cool preipherals, Risccad 10 has much improved support for Autocad files, Qercus handed out free copies of this month's magazine...

So you missed a great show and the chance to speak to the people behind it all if you weren't there....

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 23/10/05 11:15AM
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Oh Man im so gutted i could nt come i heard that it was great

 is a RISC OS Userriscosmad on 23/10/05 12:39PM
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Have a play with Artworks. Its not just basic PDF support...Its high end CMYK support with layers, shading and transparency so you can use Artworks to produce professional quality material for commercial printing :-)

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 23/10/05 5:07PM
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markee17: enjoyable and positive show generally, but I wish I could share your optimism about ROL and 32-bit Select. I listened to PM's slot and my conclusions are: 1. Select on Iyonix will only happen if enough punters pledge cash (not certain at this point); 2. If it does happen, it will still rely heavily on RO5 modules, much as 26-bit Select relies on RO4; 3. The 'real' 32-bit Select will be confined to the A9 and other non-Iyonix platforms (if any); 4. the OS fork is alive and well; parallel development and duplication of effort by ROL and Castle is the ongoing reality. So our small, resource-strapped market continues to enjoy (if that is the right term) the luxury of doing basic OS development in two places along mutually exclusive lines. Those whom the gods wish to destroy..etc.

George

 is a RISC OS Userbucksboy on 23/10/05 7:03PM
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In reply to Bucksboy:

Select on Iyonix will happen if ROL can afford to do the work, in the same way its only happening on A9 because STD are paying for it and it will only continue to happen on RISC PC while there are enough subscribers. I don't see how it can be any other way.

Select would use RISCOS 5 kernel on Iyonix and RISCOS 4 on a9/other. It can still offer a unified platform on both for development - replacing RISCOS 5 totally would not be an option and would duplicate efforts.

MArkee

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 23/10/05 7:46PM
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In rely to Bucksboy:

I was at the talk as well and from my memory Paul Middleton stated that Select for Iyonix would be built on the fly and using only the modules from RISCOS5 it needed to i.e USB etc, which seems sensible and would avoid duplication of effort.

Also the 32bit version going into the A9 does not have all the Select features, 80% of Select will be 32bitted after the work on the A9,so A9 owners would have to subscribe to Select to get the missing bits and the newer stuff.

Whilst I'm not 100% happy re-events, I am happier now that Paul has clarified some things and I think he did a good presentation and made things better by using a Iyonix to boot. Also at least we got a public apology for not stating that all the effort was going into 32bit. All in all this has made me happier to support ROL.

I'm no12 on the list of people to ask for Select on Iyonix and now ROL have stated the timeframes A9, Select for RISCPC etc and then Select for Iyonix, then I would urge everyone to pledge towards a Iyonix Select so we can keep the pressure up on ROL to perhaps deliver a version of Select for Iyonix by Wakefield2006.

 is a RISC OS Userbluenose on 23/10/05 8:14PM
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bluenose - I would suspect that even if PM guaranteed that there would be select for iyonix, Wakefield 2006 is still far too early for it. My understanding is that the A9 is only /expected/ to be available for Wakefield2006, I cannot therefore believe that Iyonix select will be available that quickly thereafter. Parts of the RO5 kernal will need changing, witness the !paint failure in the demo's PM did on Saturday, and how easily wil Castle let go of those?

Hmm.

Dave

 is a RISC OS UserDS1 on 24/10/05 12:53PM
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In reply to DS1:

He was extremely careful not to make any promises because that is the nature of the IT world (what you think will take a week takes an afternoon and what should take a day takes a month). What he did have was a clear roadmap on how to get to Select on the Iyonix.

The RO5 kernel does not need changing - Select needs code to allow for things not being there or in different places.

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 24/10/05 1:20PM
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markee174 - I agree he was very careful not to make promises, but when talking to someone from ad6 towards the end of the show, I was told that they /expected/ but could not promise that th a9home would be available for wakefield 2006.

Given all that, and the requirement for access to the RO5 kernel, I still say that Wakefiled 2006 is FAR too early to have any hope of a Iyonix select.

Dave

 is a RISC OS UserDS1 on 24/10/05 2:12PM
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In reply to DS1:

I don't think they know for sure because they need to do some more work before they can be clear exactly what is required. "Post-Microdigital" no-one likes to make promises unless the product is already finished!

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 24/10/05 5:32PM
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markee174 - Sure, but the point I'm making is not when the a9 itself is due, but that this uncertainty means that bluenose's suggestion that an iyonix select could (not would) be available for Wakefield 2006 really rather unrealistic.

Dave

 is a RISC OS UserDS1 on 24/10/05 5:39PM
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DS1:

And in that timescale Castle might produce an updated Iyonix. Its all supposition....

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 24/10/05 6:16PM
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To markee174: Martin can surely update us on this but I understood that the ArtWorks transparency is done in RGB space, not CMYK so even if you have all your object data specified in CMYK, the PDF blending happens in RGB (unless Martin specifies it otherwise in the PDFfile but then the blending specified in the PDF file does not correspond with the blending seen on screen). So I'm mildly amused with your comment "high end CMYK support with layers, shading and transparency"...

 is a RISC OS Userjoty on 24/10/05 8:40PM
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joty: You are not quite right: In the PDF export dialogue box you have the choice of either blending in the target application's default colour space (which is quite often CMYK, e.g., Adobe Reader seems to always choose CMYK) or to force everything to RGB. The default option is the former, i.e., to leave the blending mode unspecified. This can lead to slightly different blending, but only under specific circumstances. In most cases things look the same, so it is better to leave the decision to the target application which can then retain the CMYK colours. In case you need to be absolutely certain you can turn on the "Force RGB" option.

So, markee174 (and my sales literature) is quite right: You do get full CMYK support, even for transparency. ArtWorks itself cannot display transparent CMYK colours 100% correct in all cases, but you can at least specify them in ArtWorks and export them and they will finally be displayed correctly in Adobe Reader... As I wrote above, this only happens in very specific cases, most notably "Bleach" transparency.

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 24/10/05 10:35PM
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To wuerthne: I don't see what part of my comment was "not quite right".

1. I wrote that ArtWorks transparency is done in RGB space, which is I think you confirm in the last paragraph. Right ? 2. I left it alone whether the blending was specified in the PDF file to be done in RGB or CMYK and I understand that you confirm that the two possibilities can be taken. Made this my statement "not quite right" ?

In case CMYK is taken, it is not what you have on screen with ArtWorks. It is a bit odd to specify what Acrobat Reader is rendering to be right and ArtWorks rendering "not 100% correct" but I accept this view. So what are the plans for fixing this ? Like Illustrator requesting at the start of a new document whether you're going to create an RGB or CMYK document and in case of CMYK fix the rendering routines ?

Anyway, did you see the influence of overprint rendering enable/disable in Acrobat ?

 is a RISC OS Userjoty on 25/10/05 12:05AM
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joty:

In the PDFs I have generated with Artworks so far, the PDF content stream is not actually compressed so you can easily see exactly what Martin is writing out (if you understand the commands, graphicStates, shading and Colorspace dictionaries) if you open it in a text editor,

 is a RISC OS Usermarkee174 on 25/10/05 8:21AM
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joty: Yes, the thing that was not quite right was the comment "the PDF blending happens in RGB", which as I explained is not normally the case. And you did provide an escape route in your comment in brackets. Anyway, the point is that there is full CMYK transparency support in PDF export, just not in the ArtWorks display routines, which operate in RGB space. I admit it was a slightly artificial reasoning to claim that the Acrobat rendering is right and ArtWorks is not, but correct from a philosophical point of view - after all, in a vector graphics application, you only ever get an approximate rastered screen rendering of the abstract objects you specify. At least, you can create fully CMYK-based PDF files with transparency even though you cannot rely on the ArtWorks rendering of the file. It would be possible to add a document option to ArtWorks to switch between RGB and CMYK blending. I have worked out how to implement the CMYK rendering, but this would be a considerable effort and I fear that there are less than five users who could even understand what it was about, so the vast majority of users would not be remotely interested in such a feature.

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 25/10/05 10:14AM
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Any pictures of any of the new features in the new Select? Or wasn't it being demonstrated?

 is a RISC OS Userjms on 26/10/05 3:09PM
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jms - No. Sadly not. The most was to see a small number of modules, a couple of which were in advance 3i4/adjust, running on an Iyonix.

 is a RISC OS UserDS1 on 26/10/05 3:15PM
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Dearest one,

Please i will like you to contact me with this email address: (mark_kone05@yahoo.fr) so that i can send you my picture and as well as explaining myself properly so that we can understand each other. I will like to call you so let me have your phone number as well.

Waiting for your urgent reply on receipt.

Best regards,

mark kone

 is a RISC OS Usermark101 on 26/10/05 7:15PM
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