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New user guide for RISC OS 6 as release nears

Published: 28th Mar 2007, 20:45:04 | Permalink | Printable

Killing bugs made a priority

ROL logoRISCOS Ltd are preparing a new overhauled user manual as part of the long awaited full release of Select 4 RISC OS 6. The rewritten user guide will cover new features added since RISC OS 3 and 4, and the new version of the operating system is expected to be released once this manual is finished. The OS is also being tested and bug fixed, and it is understood the project was hit by delays caused by illness and family bereavements.

The news emerged as ROL faced criticism on the newsgroups as punters feared the project had stalled completely.

ROL's Select team are now said to be solely concentrating on crushing bugs at the moment ahead of a release, and are not spending time adding to the previously published feature list. The coders have also migrated from using CVS to SVN for storing the operating system's source code. It is understood two people are working full-time and eight part-time on the project.

Printing is understood to be working again, as is Viewfinder support - which now uses new drivers written from scratch that take advantage of the operating system's hardware abstraction and the ATI cards' hardware acceleration. The preview release of Select 4 RISC OS 6 was missing printing and VF support.

The abstraction in RISC OS 6 is said to be much improved over the interfaces in 32bit RISC OS 4, as seen on the A9home. This means a few A9home drivers may need to be re-worked in order to run on RISC OS 6, and it is expected RISC OS 6 will be released first for people with RiscPC-class machines with an A9home version to follow soon after. A formal release date has not been set, although users at the Midlands usergroup were told by ROL's Paul Middleton that a release could be seen within the coming month.

A source said: "It is a frustrating time, but because of these personal issues, things have been delayed. It should have been released two weeks ago, but bugs are still being fixed and builds tested. There's no one particular bug being tackled, but 32bitting the OS and adding hardware abstraction has revealed various issues.

"A huge amount of the OS has been rewritten or redesigned, and RISC OS 6 is much more powerful than previous releases. And future releases should happen more frequently too, certainly people won't be waiting more than six or 12 months in between again."

User guide
The team are also spending time on documentation, which is seen as one of RISC OS's weaker areas. ROL's Aaron Timbrell and Dave Holden are putting a new user guide together, with portions taken from Alligata's First steps with RISC OS and a separate series published by RiscWorld. The new manual is based upon the RISC OS 3 applications guide, and the RISC OS 4 manual, and includes documentation and guides on how to use the latest Select features.

A draft version of the user guide is being circulated among the ROL developers for them to proof-read and contribute to, with the final document edited by Aaron and Dave. It's understood the product will not be released until the documentation is complete. An early copy shown to drobe.co.uk came in HTML form, although ROL have a set of templates that can output documentation in various formats.

As it stands, the document features guides on standard applications including Alarm, Chars, CloseUp, Draw, Edit, Paint, SciCalc and Squash, with more to follow, such as ChangeFSI. The documentation does cover Select-only features, from Paint's new toolbox and alpha channel editing to Squash's gzip functionality - as well the usual features found in RISC OS 3 and 4. For new users, the manual explains basic RISC OS concepts, from switching the machine on to discovering how the desktop works.

A large portion is spent on explaining how to use the Filer, and how the user can manage their files. Space is also given to the pinboard, using a RAM disc, the display manager, shutting down the machine, and various other aspects of RISC OS. In the printing section, the current draft recommends: "Unless you really know what you are doing, you are strongly advised to seek expert advice from someone who understands printing with RISC OS before purchasing a printer."

Another large section deals with Configure, which has expanded considerably since the early RISC OS 4 days. The guide explains how users can control various aspects of the operating system, from boot up and networking to the desktop bin and system logging. The whole guide, currently all 3MB of it, is well illustrated with screen shots and diagrams.

Aaron confirmed: "I am working on the nextdraft, with hundred of corrections and additions, but it's not complete yet and will need to go round the proof reading cycle."

He added earlier this evening: "The release is nearly complete. I apologise that it's late but would ask people to wait just a little longer."

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ROL also came under renewed pressure to produce weekly, fortnightly or monthly progress reports to keep subscribers and potential customers informed of on-going work. Some subscribers were upset at the lack of noise coming from ROL towers during the long periods of development.

Speaking earlier, Aaron said: "ROL has had a kicking in the past for making progress reports.

"Paul Middleton was showing a beta of what will be Select 4 at the South West show. Instead of announcing that 'feature XY and Z are progressing', he thought, quite rightly, that it was best to show where we are at, for example, with Viewfinder and printing support.

"So instead of talking about it, we show it."

RISCOS Ltd had hoped to launch Select 4 at the South West show in February, but instead previewed working printing and Viewfinder support after the product was hit by delays. The company also showed off its second Foundation DVD compilation.

• CJE Micros said it would be making an announcement soon regarding printing on the A9home. Owners have so far found difficulties with printing from the ARM9-powered AdvantageSix machine.

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Oh good greif! Does anyone need a user manual ?!

 is a RISC OS Userimj on 28/3/07 8:52PM
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ROL can't win.

People complain there no documentation and abietly after a long pause they produce it and then people complain it's on the Web so they start to produce a user guide and now complaints before it's launched.

I wish some people would look at the the RISC OS "glass" a bit more positively.

 is a RISC OS Userbluenose on 28/3/07 9:10PM
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With regards to printing from the A9home. It has been recently discussedin great detail on the mailing list. The A9home compatability sites under the FAQ section also states a method of printing ([link] ibility.asp )

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 28/3/07 9:11PM
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At some point a major push to 32bit the OS needed to occur and it sounds like ROL are close to getting a product out the door. I think it is well worth spending time on tidying up documentation and producing an updated manual.

Improving abstraction is a good thing, users may not notice much on the surface but from a developers view it is extremely important.

I would like to thank everyone at ROL for the work so far and I hope you get plenty of sales!!

 is a RISC OS Userknutson on 29/3/07 6:31AM
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"ROL can't win"

Unfortunately not for some. They seem to attract as much vitriol as M$ from some in RISC OS land. This is very positive development and should be treated as such.

 is a RISC OS Usermripley on 29/3/07 8:12AM
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I think the problem with ROL and generally most RO businesses is that there simply isn't enough money floating around in the RISC OS community. This means tasks take substanially longer than they otherwise would. A result of this quite often seams to be a wall of silence. When the silence is then broken and nothing substantial is delivered, the company then attracts a lot of critism to taking so long but delivering not much The company then thinks twice about saying anything whatsoever until a substanial product or update is released. This then takes us back to the wall of silence.

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 29/3/07 9:18AM
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Getting back to be fully on topic. I think this is really good news. ROL are obviously aiming to deliver Select 4 AKA RO6 with some good user friendly documentation in the form of a new userguide. It makes no difference if it is HTML/PDF or available in hardcopy. The fact they are producing it to go hand in hand with their new OS release is a good positive step and should be treated as such.

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 29/3/07 9:22AM
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Well done ROL! The documentation is something I've been wanting for a while. Let's hope this can turn around the company's fortunes and get OS development back on track.

 is a RISC OS Usertimephoenix on 29/3/07 10:59AM
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I very much agree that this documentation is a good move - maybe not for too many existing users, but if new people are to be attracted to the OS, then clear reference literature about how to use it and the features available are critical (espeicially if the people are not particularly computer literate.)

It strikes me that probably much of this documentation will be relavent to other versions of RISC OS (produced by both Castle and ROL), does anybody know if it will be freely available online to help users and show potential users exactly what ROS is?

 is a RISC OS Userpolas on 29/3/07 12:20PM
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This recent news on ROL's progress is very encouraging. The updating of the User Guide is an excellent idea and another reason for people to (re-)subscribe to the scheme. It will also hopefully give Iyonix users a better idea of Select's powerful features over RISC OS 5.

sa110: Whilst I agree with much of what you say, I believe it must also be stated that ROL has several ways to keep people pacified in between releases. I certainly understand the position they're in, but that's probably even more reason to keep communication and activity on multiple levels, certainly not just OS development progress.

I believe many avid users of RISC OS have displayed their patience and understanding with them and it's surely not just the various delays and silences that have received criticism. Among others, it is the manner in which they choose to communicate, the state of their website, the seemingly contradicting information presented in the past, the absence of long-term perspective for the end-user, etc. How should one choose to interpret this company's attitude; is it intentional to gain a certain exemption amidst the confusion and defer liability? Or is it simply because they're incompetent in the areas of marketing and public relations? I guess it's both.

This recent news certainly gives me a positive feeling, in that it seems ROL are preparing to come back with a bang. An all-new OS well prepared to take on modern technology and the first real user guide since the days of RISC OS 3! But in all this we shouldn't forget what this company has done, or rather hasn't done, in the past and I do not mean the silence and delays due to the vast developments made. I do believe ROL is on the right track with regards to their OS development, but it's high time they start taking their PR seriously. It need not be expensive and all communities have in common that there are people around willing to do a certain amount of voluntary work. They just need to figure out how to harness the platform's positive spirit.

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 29/3/07 12:24PM
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In reply to hEgelia:

Yes I agree with your reply. I think it is high time that not just ROL but everyone involved in RISC OS started to look more at marketing. Perhaps they could all group together to empoy someone - even on a part time basis. This person could then market RISC OS as a platform in general.

I also think it is about time ROL set out in writing (on their website) where they see RISC OS development going in the next 5 years. A sort of roadmap.

But again. The new userguide is certainly a development in the right direction.

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 29/3/07 12:52PM
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hEgelia: "This recent news on ROL's progress is very encouraging. The updating of the User Guide is an excellent idea and another reason for people to (re-)subscribe to the scheme."

Warming over some documentation is all very nice, but what the Select scheme needs is actual releases of the operating system with new features, and not gaps od 3 years. Until they have proved they can achieve this, it would be very unwise to recommend throwing more money at them.

"It will also hopefully give Iyonix users a better idea of Select's powerful features over RISC OS 5. "

Iyonix users are fully aware of what Select could offer, *if* ROL had any intention of supporting them.

 is a RISC OS Userdruck on 29/3/07 1:29PM
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In reply to druck:

There are releasing it, you keep saying they are not, but have no proof of this. Are you going to make a public apology when you are proved wrong.

The new manual covering the new features of RO6 and backwards is a very good move and will help a lot of users find things they did not possible know existed.

You claim that "Iyonix users are fully aware of what could offer" Are they, so you are now the official spokesperson for them as well. ROL have already shown more new features of RO6 working on the Iyonix recently, but I doubt it would be available till the main release is out shortly.

You have been on nothing but an anti-ROL bashing session since you got your Iyonix its seems like.

 is a RISC OS UserWakeman on 29/3/07 2:09PM
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Wakeman: Its no good keeping saying they are going to do something, or they are demonstrating something, that's been going for the last 3 years. When you can buy something and walk away with it in your hand, that is when my criticism will end.

 is a RISC OS Userdruck on 29/3/07 2:21PM
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sa110: Perhaps some companies are hesitant because they believe they would be pouring good money into a black hole. Or that the new attention derived would come in the form of mockery by ignorant spec-freaks so prevalent in the more mainstream platforms. See OSNews for a taster.

I think marketing in general is sensible, but initially aimed at those familiar with RISC OS, before trying to reel in some wealthy computing hobbyists with an aptness for trying out alternative platforms. By the way, I've repeatedly found people who've switched to the Mac platform are often very fond of features thought to be unique to OS X, but in fact were pioneered or are better implemented on RISC OS. Perhaps that can be utilised to gain fresh meat, ironically using the same techniques Apple themselves employ to attract Windows users. See their Get-A-Mac campaign.

"I also think it is about time ROL set out in writing (on their website) where they see RISC OS development going in the next 5 years. A sort of roadmap."

Yes, which seems more reasonable now that the Great Work of 32 bitting and abstracting away legacy innards is (almost) completed. In the past ROL has commented that they develop all sorts of stuff and when a Select release is due (...) they look at what new features can be finished for inclusion.

druck: "Warming over some documentation is all very nice, but what the Select scheme needs is actual releases of the operating system with new features, and not gaps od 3 years. Until they have proved they can achieve this, it would be very unwise to recommend throwing more money at them."

Indeed, but believing what ROL is saying for a moment, these gaps should be done with now. RISC OS has been thoroughly renovated and is now ready to grow again, with hopefully the kind of regular feature updates as seen in the past. However, I suspect they've lost a lot of subscribers during these silent periods, mostly due to their own failings to communicate properly. The dilemma now is that ROL may have great difficulty in proving that the Select scheme is viable again.

"Iyonix users are fully aware of what Select could offer, if ROL had any intention of supporting them."

I'm not entirely sure of that first part, but it's essential ROL start making actual commitments to Iyonix users. If that would result in the same BS we've seen before (the infamous 100 user pledge), they deserve whatever is coming at them.

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 29/3/07 2:27PM
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Wakeman:

Why does druck owe anyone a public apology? ROL is a company, not a charity. They've taken people's money for some time without releasing a product: any other company would get a bashing for that. Personally I hope they're turning the corner now and will make a success of future OS releases. But if they do, it will mark a return to what they ought to have been doing for the last two years, and critics of their past behaviour and tactics will have nothing to apologise for.

 is a RISC OS Userlym on 29/3/07 2:34PM
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In reply to druck: "When you can buy something and walk away with it in your hand, that is when my criticism will end". Select Subscribers have been able to purchase a Select subscription and walk off with a copy of the RISC OS Six preview for some time. Shortly they will be able to walk off with the full release. At that point I will hold you to your promise.

 is a RISC OS UserVirtualAcorn on 29/3/07 2:35PM
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lym: Druck owes many of us an apology for saying untruths that are commercially damaging and making it difficult to support RISC OS generally.

hEgelia: ROSIX is not only a 26/32 bit operating system - it is also a promise for the future. Justin had the vision to produce an OS that could be the basis of future development even if that caused problems in the short term. Some of the arguments that we have had (and have now disappeared) over the A9 were to do with producing an OS that was more stable and pushed software developers to stick to the PRMs. To get that right the PRMs needed to be updated - and that has been done and they are available on the web - free of charge. He also believed that a good OS encouraged 3rd party developers by offering interesting 'hooks' on which to hang their work - rather than have the OS do everything (or at the other extreme force developers to start each application from scratch). By encouraging those third party developers (working commercially or for free) is the way to best ensure a future for RISC OS.

Whilst Justin had the vision, many others have (and are) contributed to the OS and it's their current work that confirms the foundation that has been laid.

The product (the OS) is only part of what is being offered. The PRMs (and getting those third party developers interested in producing new software) is another. Letting end users know about new things they can do with the new OS/new programs is a third requirement and, although that will include material available soon it will also require (and get) a long-term support project.

 is a RISC OS Userjc on 29/3/07 3:39PM
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Sorry but have we not had all this " nearly there " a year ago or something.

 is a RISC OS UserPete on 29/3/07 3:43PM
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Pete: That's possibly one of the reasons ROSIX Preview was issued. I don't know anyone who isn't disappointed by how long it has taken - but if you aren't already a subscriber you really need to start saving up now. :-)

How long has Vista taken - with how many developers? When you are working with small numbers you get big delays through simple illnesses and other changes. With ROSIX such hiccups have had a big effect - some have been made public. The official line is still 'it will be released when it's ready' but all that you hear from critics about what still needs to be done, has been done.

 is a RISC OS Userjc on 29/3/07 4:03PM
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"It'll be paid for when it's ready"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/3/07 4:05PM
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The difference is that Microsoft were not charging people vast sums of money for Vista for 3 years running before its eventual release so you really can't compare the two situations. None of changes the past situation that RISC OS Ltd have taken peoples money or been asking for money for a long time and given nothing but promises and demos in return. We have been told that a new release is almost ready (and in fairness, it probably is) but it is still only words on a page until it actually happens, which is all it has been for some time.

 is a RISC OS Userfwibbler on 29/3/07 4:25PM
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Article: "And future releases should happen more frequently too, certainly people won't be waiting more than six or 12 months in between again." Well that does sound like a good idea, meaning that ROL intends to get back on track and deliver what they sell... On this account and the other thing the article suggests, that is a soon-to-happen RISC OS 6 does remind me of one of the old tag lines of Acorn: "Seeing is believing" - read that as "I'll believe that RISC OS 6 is available when I can see that it is available".

hEgelia: "It will also hopefully give Iyonix users a better idea of Select's powerful features over RISC OS 5." The permanent lack of useful feature lists (not those extremely detailed ones I couldn't care less about with things like feature such-and-such moved to separate module or amended to be happy with new compiler) might be addressed. But do you really expect an IYONIX user to purchase this documentation to find out about something the supplier probably will never offer them? If ROL wants to get IYONIX users to pay for Select they have to tell them what they intend to offer and when and for what price - with the small issue that due to the track record the "when" is the hard part. As for Select for the IYONIX pc since quite some time I have decided that I will wait until ROL has something to offer (that is something ready to take away) and then decide depending on the price if I'll buy it, or not.

To ROL: Producing a user guide is a good idea - though I agree with the odd comment here that chances are not high that those buying it will need a new user guide. On the other hand supplying a user guide is something a buyer would indeed expect. So in any case: good!

 is a RISC OS Userhzn on 29/3/07 5:16PM
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VirtualAcorn: Aaron you really are taking the p*** suggesting anyone should pay for the preview. Its that attitude which justifies every word of critiscm I've made against ROL.

 is a RISC OS Userdruck on 29/3/07 6:51PM
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Well I'm with Druck on all this.

I subscribed to Select for a couple of years - then lapsed as nothing was coming - and then rejoined when it looked like things were going to happen.

In that last year I got nothing - although because of the extension I did finally get a Beta product.

At Wakefield last year I nearly bought a A9Home after some young chap demonstrated it at the show (Daniel? I think) - as the A9Home had been announced a full year earlier - but it wasn't being sold as a finished product.

This year I will go to Wakefield again - but two years on a 400 MHz computer doesn't look worth 600 quid.

The Iyonix - again no - but I might be interested if there is a a new machine.

It looks very much as if Virtual-RPC-SE will be my only involvement since my StrongArm machine died last year.

I don't know what the answer is but you can't blame people for not handing over good money time and again without appearing to see much for it.

Sad - but not something one should have to apologise for - Dave C.

 is a RISC OS UserDaveC on 29/3/07 6:57PM
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This sounds great - support for Viewfinder is particularly interesting as it's about time it was fully exploited.

Do we have an estimate for the cost?

DaveC - why did your machine fail?

 is a RISC OS UserAW on 30/3/07 12:47AM
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AW- Well the power supply died - but I did have a spare I'd bought from the Wakefield Charity shop the year before. But then the harddisc - a SCSI 4 Gig - seemed to have died as well.

It was an early Castle SCSI Risc PC so I'd had a good twelve years or so out of it.

I still have a A3010 and an A4 up in the loft - but the only 'Acorn' use I get now is with Virtual RiscPC.

Cheers, Dave C.

 is a RISC OS UserDaveC on 30/3/07 1:06AM
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That's a shame. ADPL have new power supplies and cheap interfaces incidentally.

 is a RISC OS UserAW on 30/3/07 1:12AM
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in reply to druck: You are really getting desperate now aren't you :-) The RISC OS Six preview is available to current and lapsed Select subscribers (even you should know that). As far as I can see you are just getting upset because I pointed out yet another obvious flaw in your statements.

I'm off to carry on with proof reading the documentation :-) It's now up to 3.5Mb and the ChangeFSI section (which was missing from the copy supplied to Drobe) is being checked in today.

 is a RISC OS UserVirtualAcorn on 30/3/07 10:38AM
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VirtualAcorn: Although the Six Preview release is an interesting indication to what progress ROL has made, it's not really a practical solution to the majority of users, is it? I think druck has a solid point there, you just chose to interpret it more conveniently. The waiting is still on for a decent new version of RISC OS from the ROL quarters, even the A9home version is still unfinished from what I gather. I'm sure ROL is on it, but you'd be best advised to remain modest until some real meat is out the door, which is exactly what druck is saying. I'm very enthused by the news of recent developments, now it's time we see something solid for all the money spent over the years.

Good luck with the new documentation, I'm looking forward to it.

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 30/3/07 11:51AM
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Apropos druck's comment >> Iyonix users are fully aware of what Select could offer, if ROL had any intention of supporting them. << and follow-ups thereto:

As an Iyonix user I know that the various OS versions from ROL include some stuff that I would very much like, but as long as I can't have it I would rather NOT know about all the goodies that I'm missing.

I bought an Iyonix because I had been waiting for new hardware for several years, meanwhile sticking with my A5000, because by the time I might have upgraded to a RiscPC it was already looking seriously dated.

The Iyonix, with its HAL, appeared at the time to represent the future for RISC OS. But, though there have been lots of upgrades to the OS (and much work behind the scenes for non-desktop uses of RISC OS) there is nothing for the Iyonix approaching the facilities that ROL have been offering. Neither Castle nor ROL has shown any real interest in giving Iyonix users access to Select, Adjust, or any of the other flavours (and there's no point in my trying to understand what these flavours are when they're all equally unavailable for my computer).

To add insult to injury, ROL DO support more recent hardware.

Richard

 is a RISC OS UserRichardMellish on 09/04/07 6:05PM
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Unfortunately not supporting the Iyonix leads to many more nots.

* Iyonix users are not going to give up vastly superior hardware for OS enhancements

* Some users are not going to upgrade to the Iyonix until it has Select.

* Developers who mainly have Iyonix's are not going to write software that needs Select features.

* Without software that needs select features the majority of users are not going to upgrade to Select

Even if it was initially a loss leader, Select on the Iyonix could have lead ti not only to a significant number of OS upgrades, but hardware purchases, software development and sales. More money in the market would have benefited everyone. However, users on all sides of the fence feel let down by this, and I fear its now a missed opportunity from which we may never recover.

 is a RISC OS Userdruck on 10/04/07 09:42AM
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In the past, ROL have done some basic Select stuff for the Iyonix, which they've demonstrated on occasion. Just to show they're interested in doing work for the Iyonix, since it simply is a 'substantial' market for them to tap into. I don't think it's so much a 'political' thing, where they principally object to doing work for a rival or something.

Anyway, most if not all, 'Select' functionality we can clearly distinguish from RISC OS 5 are actually manifestations or surface extensions of quite deep rooted OS enhancements, going all the way to the core of the OS. What this means in practice, is that porting over our favourite Select / Adjust stuff to RISC OS 5 is practically impossible, since it would also involve altering or rewriting some core RISC OS 5 elements.

So, I think I can see how ROL are trying to make it possible to get 'Select' on the Iyonix; through RISC OS Six. Which means the criterion is basically reversed - now certain RO5 parts, like drivers or such like, would need to get ported and integrated into RO6 to get it to properly support Iyonix hardware. If that's done and working, it should be relatively straightforward to get Select 4 to run on it.

That's the idea of the situation I've got, though I'm sure it's not really very accurate. Furthermore, I'm not trying to excuse ROL for anything here, just trying to add a little perspective. In fact, I still think ROL have pulled some really rotten stuff in the past (even though they think it was for the best) and it's high time for them to clear up their website and PR.

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 10/04/07 11:00AM
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hEgelia: "Anyway, most if not all, 'Select' functionality we can clearly distinguish from RISC OS 5 are actually manifestations or surface extensions of quite deep rooted OS enhancements, going all the way to the core of the OS. What this means in practice, is that porting over our favourite Select / Adjust stuff to RISC OS 5 is practically impossible, since it would also involve altering or rewriting some core RISC OS 5 elements."

Totally, utterly and absolutely wrong!

RISC OS is one of the most extensive operating systems ever written, every single API call can be replaced or enhanced via the software vectors and the relocatable module system. I have been through the Select change logs with a fine tooth comb and there are no *features* (as opposed to reorganisational changes) which can't be implemented as OS extensions. It is entirely possible to do this and leave the core of RISC OS 5 containing the HAL and hardware drivers in place (which it would be pointless and counter productive to try to reimplement, just for the sake of it).

Indeed this is precisely what ROL have quietly demonstrated on the Iyonix for the best part of 2 years, but have either lacked the programming resources or will to get in to a releasable state.

 is a RISC OS Userdruck on 11/04/07 09:01AM
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(nt)

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 11/04/07 11:21AM
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druck:

"Totally, utterly and absolutely wrong!"

Ah, I'm glad I'm not just wrong.

What I've written above is my interpretation of what I've gathered from several sources over the years, but apparently my ignorance and lack of basic coding experience prevent me from getting a clear picture. Like most users, I certainly know RO can easily be extended or have components replaced with new, enhanced ones. It's how we often update stuff or even how the Select scheme is made possible, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong).

Still, surely the Select scheme has meant a lot of elements of RO4 have seen major change, restructuring or replacement, which could have made implementing some of the new features easier? I used to think that many of these internal improvements directly allowed for the more visible Select features. I guess ROL could take the various parts of source code which could be made compatible with RO5 and complete them for use with it, but I guess they came to the conclusion it would demand too much time spent reworking of, or adding to, their existing sources. I'm not endorsing or condemning any action, just speculating. I wonder, seeing there probably are a lot of people wanting Select features on Iyonix, if the ROOL route would prevail over the RO6 route?

 is a RISC OS UserhEgelia on 11/04/07 11:22AM
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(nt)

 is a RISC OS Userguestx on 11/04/07 12:45AM
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:s/extensive/extensible

The RISC OS module system was a nice idea. Shame about the kernel-space limitations and general likelihood of stiffing the machine, though.

 is a RISC OS Userguestx on 11/04/07 12:46AM
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