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New TechWriter features bonus style finder

Published: 23rd Oct 2007, 20:33:20 | Permalink | Printable

Version 8.72 on its way, features surprise utility

Unofficial style finder screenshotThis is the new style finder due to be rolled into the recently announced upgrade to the TechWriter family. While version 8.72 of the word processor is on the verge of being shipped to punters, developer Martin Wuerthner revealed the software will now include, as well as a style editor, a style finder - which can quickly show users the font and appearance attributes applied to text under the caret.

A mole who has used the new functionality said the utility hovers next to documents and updates automatically as the users moves the cursor through the file. Styles revealed by the finder can be edited at the touch of a button.

The insider added: "You simply click in the document and the style finder lists those styles which are active at the caret. Clicking on the style finder's edit button allows you to edit the style in the new style editor. I think it's very intuitive and a huge leap forward."

Martin confirmed to TechWriter users today that the new version is not yet available, although it was unveiled ahead of the South East 2007 show by publisher Icon Technology. Martin added the program will be released soon and include the style finder.

He said: "Easi/TechWriter 8.72 was released at the show as planned but it is not on general release yet until [Icon's] Mike Glover has sorted out all the aftermath of the show.

"Stay tuned for the 8.7 upgrade being available in due course."

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Excellent! This will be very useful in sorting out those silly little formatting errors.

I trust the faux-Mac look is not standard though - I like RO to look like RO and Acqua to be kept firmly on Mr Jobs' boxes.

 is a RISC OS UserTonyStill on 23/10/07 9:07PM
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tonystill:

It is merely a desktop skin/theme. Martin's official screenshot is here (although it also sports an Apple-esque desktop theme):

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 is a RISC OS Userdiomus on 23/10/07 9:44PM
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Interestingly, my screenshot does not sport a scroll bar, which is not surprising because this dialogue box does not have one. So, I wonder where the scroll bar shown in the screenshot above comes from. What is more, even if there was a scroll bar (which was actually considered at some stage) it would not show the proportion as above because the Document Style is the top level style, so there are no more buttons below it and the window is always trimmed to the area that is used. So, is the above a mock-up? And if so, why?

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 23/10/07 9:59PM
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It's not a mock up, not as far as I'm aware.

 is a RISC OS Userdiomus on 23/10/07 10:04PM
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tonystill:

its a themed RISC OS desktop!

Please don't tell us that you *actually* like the stone effect :-o

 is a RISC OS Userepistaxsis on 23/10/07 10:12PM
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diomus: Then I would be interested in what system this screenshot comes from. To the best of my knowledge, Easi/TechWriter 8.72 cannot display a window as shown above and if either does, it must be a bug on a particular system that I would like to fix.

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 23/10/07 10:17PM
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If you look closely at the screenshot there's a black line at the very bottom of the window then a white line to its right - they look like the dropped/raised shadows of another entry and button. So it seems there is at least one other button below it. There are desktop utilities to add scrollbars to windows that don't have them - can be useful for poorly designed apps. But if Martin doesn't know then I don't see who would!

 is a RISC OS Usercaliston2 on 23/10/07 11:32PM
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Great to see some truely useful functionality appearing in some of the most important RISC OS applications. I can instantly see why this function would have wide appeal. A great weapon in the war on bad styles.

Martin is a huge asset to the entire RISC OS community, we are truely fortunate to have him.

 is a RISC OS Userstevek on 24/10/07 5:52AM
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caliston2: Yes, of course there are buttons below it, this is how the templates have been designed but they are meant to be hidden. The program limits the window extent to the last *used* button and that button is the one showing "Document style". So, even if a utility was used to add a scroll bar or the templates were edited to achieve the same result, the scroll bar would still indicate that the window contents are fully shown.

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 24/10/07 9:21AM
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Martin W: Is the window normally transient (eg. on a menu structure?) In which case, have they opened the window in a Template editor and then taken a snapshot of that? This would explain why the windows are visible etc etc. With recent versions of Paint you can take snapshots of menus or window submenus (put the timer on and ask it to take a snapshot of a window and it will then snapshot the window under the pointer), but if you had an older (pre-Select) version of Paint, then you couldn't take a snapshot of the window; in that case using TemplEd or WinEd might be your only option.

 is a RISC OS Usermd0u80c9 on 24/10/07 5:17PM
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In reply to epistaxsis: I do quite like the stone effect but, hastily 'cos I really don't want to start a silly discussion on styles and persional taste, I also like my Mac. Acqua is fine on the Mac but I like RO with its simple squares and textures more.

And I'm not going to say anything more on GUI comparisons ;-)

 is a RISC OS UserTonyStill on 24/10/07 9:13PM
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TonyStill:

sorry to jump on you like that but I *hate* the stone effect - none of my RISC OS computers have had it for 7 years now.

Agreed with the mac thing though.

Silly effects kept to them :-)

and I'm not starting a silly discussion either :-)

 is a RISC OS Userepistaxsis on 24/10/07 9:51PM
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md0u80c9:

You have been able to take snapshots of menu trees using a timer in Paint since long before Select came along. I mean, it's even in RISC OS 5's Paint...

 is a RISC OS Userstevef on 24/10/07 10:36PM
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stevef: Maybe I'm thinking pre-3.8 then. Definitely used to be an issue because I remember trying to do exactly that task several years ago and being unable to, and that issue certainly isn't present today. Still remains that I'd bet the image was taken by opening the template in WinEd or TemplEd and then taking a snapshot of it; which in turn suggests that was done because there wasn't an alternative.

 is a RISC OS Usermd0u80c9 on 24/10/07 11:06PM
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Obviously, Chris can't reveal his sources. We could press and press, but there's no way he'll squeal ;-)

However, for what it's worth, I get the same effect as the above screenshot on my Virtual RiscPC 4.02. I've emailed Martin to try to get to the bottom of this mystery.

md0u80c9:

"Still remains that I'd bet the image was taken by opening the template in WinEd or TemplEd and then taking a snapshot of it"

I'm afraid you lose your bet ;-)

 is a RISC OS UserStewy on 24/10/07 11:35PM
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Ok, finally found the problem that caused the unwanted scroll bar to appear. It was dependent on the current screen mode. Version 8.73 will be out soon.

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 5/11/07 7:00PM
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