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By Chris Williams. Published: 5th Mar 2003, 09:27:31 | Permalink | Printable

Vigay.com, Oregano 2, Wakefield and more

We're a website. These people have websites. And we can't actually be bothered to be witty at this time in the morning. Oh wait, this is a news round up and how about this, there's a weed killer with its own website called RoundUp. Not laughing? No refunds.

Vigay.com sheds anti-Microsoft nonsense. Almost
Idolised by forum site iconbar.com, Paul Vigay is a well known, helpful figure in the RISC OS community - this man investigates crop circles, show a little respect. Like a true old skool Acorn fan from the good old days of 1996 when it was cool to make fun of "Windoze" users, Paul is terribly anti-Microsoft and his personal website vigay.com used to actively block users using Microsoft products to surf the web. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't personally emailed Paul in the past complaining about this.
The good news is that in a recent site overhaul, Paul's eradicated his vast site of silly anti-IE scripts.
"I've removed restrictions on using inferior Microsoft products to browse the site", Paul mentions in his announcement, "so if you're using the inferior and buggy Windows XP you can now regain entry to the entire site without popups, warnings or crashes".

Sums it up really. Anyway, that aside, Paul's otherwise comprehensive site is being re-indexed to make it easier to navigate; note that not all pages will be online straight away.

Oregano2 full release to Iyonix users
Take a look. Castle's 32 bit web browser has been fully released to Iyonix users with a public launch for RISC OS 4 users being very imminent, we're very reliably informed. Here's looking forward to that press release.

Wakefield from a stand's eye
Stuart Tyrrell Developments has released video footage captured from their stand during last year's Wakefield RISC OS show.
"Have you ever wondered what it's like to exhibit at a RISC OS show?" STD asking the hard questions since 1998. "Here are some movies which show the view from our stand at Wakefield 2002. We set up a webcam recording at 1 frame per second, and these have been shrunk from their original 640x480 to 320x240, compressed and time-lapsed."

The films, which cover the set up of stands and the passage of the show, are in DivX format so Cineroma beta testers only or find a PC if you want to take a peek. Feel free to consume Stuart's bandwidth.

Are you going to Wakefield 2003?
And do you want to give myriscos.co.uk some traffic? Surely more than eight people are going to the show, or maybe only eight people visited myriscos this month or year or whatever. Steve Potts, of the WROCC, has posted to the hapless portal calling for people planning on going to the Wakefield 2003 show to register their intent in an online poll. While we'd love you all to go and vote and give Steve an idea of the number of people going to the North England event, please try not to get distracted by the sheer amount of content and editorial posted on myriscos. We're not worthy.

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Having to login simply to cast a vote put me off. Does anyone else get fed-up with the increasing number of websites that require you to create an account with them just so you can blow your nose?

I've had to create a frickin database of website usernames and passwords I have to use to enter them. Cheers!

 is a RISC OS UserThe Doctor on 5/3/03 11:54AM
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"Inferior Microsoft products" ? What on earth is the man on? Please point me towards a RISC OS web browser that's as good as MSIE in any major respect. I can't see one.

 is a RISC OS Usernunfetishist on 5/3/03 11:55AM
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Perhaps you could simply use one username and password for these types of websites, thus negating the need for a database -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:02PM
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Ooh. Oregano 2.

With scroll bars!

I really hope it doesn't still suck.

 is a RISC OS Userc-dub on 5/3/03 1:03PM
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Browse with Javascript would be mucher nicer. -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:07PM
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Except it wouldn't be, as it has far less support of modern standards.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 5/3/03 1:08PM
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Obviously you would do a few more updates to bring it upto spec. -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:11PM
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It's not obvious at all. It would need a massive amount of work for the JS alone.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 5/3/03 1:13PM
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I did not say it wouldn't. I merely indicated my own preference to a a Javascript enabled Browse. Not whether or not it would happen or the amount of work involved. -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:18PM
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You indicated your preference for living in a fantasy land where you forget what you just said. "A few more updates" is not the same as agreeing that it requires a massive amount of work. Please refrain from commenting unless you actually have something worthwhile and consistent to say.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 5/3/03 1:21PM
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Touchy or what!!! -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:26PM
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Yep, seems you are.

"It hurts my eyes!"

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 5/3/03 1:28PM
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You wanna get some drops then -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:29PM
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Obviously, an updated Browse would be nice, but aint gonna happen. -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:34PM
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Peter, I think you are forgetting that there *is* a version of Browse with JavaScript, just not a publicly released one. But as you said, a public release is not going to happen, so I am looking forward to the results of your browser project. ;-)

 is a RISC OS Userwuerthne on 5/3/03 1:40PM
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I have it, but the JavaScript support is somewhat limited, and would still require massive amounts of work, as I said. Browse is a no-go for many many reasons.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 5/3/03 1:44PM
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So just out of pure curiosity, apart from the work involved, what are some of the many reasons? -- Paul Stewart, Bletchley, Milton Keynes

 is a RISC OS Usersa110 on 5/3/03 1:53PM
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I too would like to see a new version of Browse (although accept it isn't going to happen), a close second would be seeing a copy of Oregano which is style guide complient (do people still read the style guide? - any chance of having it made freely available on line?)

[I assume Castle are responsible for the RISC OS front end of Oregano]

-- Ryan Hitch, Cottingham (Speaking purely from a user's point of view)

 is a RISC OS Userdrjones69 on 5/3/03 2:17PM
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c-dub: The scroll bars on Oregano2 don't currently let you scroll the window. This is likely to be added soon. It renders pages very quickly and seems to render more pages correctly than any other RISC OS browser.

I would very much like to see a browser for RISC OS that is as good as IE or Safari in terms of rendering speed and features (though IE could do with some standards compliance). -- Simon Wilson, Boulder, Colorado

 is a RISC OS Userksattic on 5/3/03 3:59PM
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Hmm I wouldn't class IE as fast. Phoenix or even Mozilla is much nippier (not tried Konqueror/Safari). Hope Oregano2 is an improvement on O1 tho. -- James Carey

 is a RISC OS Userjmcarey on 5/3/03 5:02PM
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Ho hum... corrections ;-)

Wakefield video stuff is at [link]

Not sure why STD only started asking hard questions in 1998.... the power of Drobe's investigative journalism? *ducks* ;-)

 is a RISC OS Userstdevel on 5/3/03 5:48PM
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OK, OK, it's been a long day... ...Wakefield.html , and I didn't realise that the article header had a link.

Damn, this asbestos underwear chafes!

 is a RISC OS Userstdevel on 5/3/03 5:50PM
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*mumbles something incoherent about CSS*

 is a RISC OS Usermoss on 5/3/03 6:59PM
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The day i'm using a fully funcyioning web browser on riscos i will eat my face with a spoon.

 is a RISC OS Usernex on 6/3/03 12:37AM
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One nice feature of Oregano2 is that if you drop PC fonts such as Verdana and Arial into its fonts directory, it will use them whenever the attribute requests them. You don't even have to alter any config settings! -- Simon Wilson, Boulder, Colorado

 is a RISC OS Userksattic on 6/3/03 8:24AM
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Nex: Start eating your face out mouth first. :)

 is a RISC OS UserSnig on 6/3/03 1:58PM
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ksattic - now, that *is* nice :-)

Does that work with the CSS font-family selector too?

 is a RISC OS Usermoss on 6/3/03 6:26PM
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Yes, my own site has font names in the css and it works fine. -- Simon Wilson, Boulder, Colorado

 is a RISC OS Userksattic on 6/3/03 7:40PM
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Re-reading your message, you said font-family. I found that O2 *doesn't* work with "sans-serif" and "fantasy", etc. It defaults to OldTimes. Monospaced does work. It sounds like a simple addition to me, as the functionality is literally already there. -- Simon Wilson, Boulder, Colorado

 is a RISC OS Userksattic on 6/3/03 7:42PM
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Well, I kind of meant specific font names, but it's odd that generic ones don't work yet. For instance, if I use:

font-family: verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif;

I assume it'll check if the first three fonts are there, and if not go onto OldTimes instead of a generic sans-serif font.

 is a RISC OS Usermoss on 6/3/03 7:49PM
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Yes, that will work if Verdana or any of the other fonts are present. O2 doesn't ship with a sans-serif font, only with a default serif (Oldtimes) and monospaced (Typewriter), like O1 did. Perhaps that's the reason why it hasn't been programmed to recognise Verdana and Arial as sans-serif fonts.

God knows what a Fantasy font is! -- Simon Wilson, Boulder, Colorado

 is a RISC OS Userksattic on 6/3/03 7:52PM
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Fantasy fonts, as used in CSS, are primarily decorative while still containing representations of characters (as opposed to Pi or Picture fonts, which do not represent characters).

 is a RISC OS Usermoss on 7/3/03 6:50PM
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While on the topic of website-updates: I have updated my website www.zimmerle.de with photos of the production-mainboard of the Omega (the previous one was a prototype with XScale), a screenshot of a taskwindow showing some PCI-Manager stuff, a photo of my PCI-Power-On-Self-Test-Card and two MPEGs of it working in the Omega.

-- Julian G. F. Zimmerle

 is a RISC OS UserJGZimmerle on 10/3/03 10:47AM
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