bernie: then one could argue that it's up to ROL/Castle/whoever to convince you that you _do_ want a new product. That's really what this is about. Of course, if there isn't a product, then your reluatance is entirely understandable. Again, I appreciate the long lead times sometimes required (look how long Firefox took, and certainly isn't finished), but to put it into perspective, my Iyonix will be 3 years old next month - that's 3 years of income ROL could have had. There's risk with every product, but 3 years is a long time to delay a product.