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I can truly understand people's frustration with the current browser situation. But I do agree with flibble on this. Unless someone is paid to specifically finish off one of the existing browser efforts, it's unlikely to happen with coders working in their free time and for their own reasons.

When Castle released the Iyonix they were well aware of the need for a decent browser, which I assume is why they commissioned Oregano. I'm sure that ultimately either they decided that the return wasn't worth it (they seemed to get a lot of flack for it), or that they were better off focusing on the hardware side of things.

I'm sure this is true of Ad6 too. If they want to sell a desktop machine, then it makes sense that they should want a good web experience for it. But writing browsers isn't what these companies do. They make hardware. If the RISC OS desktop market is sustainable, then presumably there is scope for another company to step in and *sell* a browser to the many people who clearly want it.

Isn't this what Oregano are doing? Too slowly for some unfortunately, but maybe it will bear fruit soon?

This is to some extent what Peter Naulls was/is doing, but with a different funding model. Unfortunately (for us) his situation has changed, and development is now happening too slowly for some. Maybe this will result in a fully working Firefox in the near future if more work is done on it? I get the impression that for this to progress more quickly, Peter needs someone to do administration work. This is something that anyone with time could do, and so if people who aren't programmers want to 'put something back' maybe they could think about helping with that?

Netsurf in my opinion is an amazing piece of work and I use it constantly. But it clearly isn't going to provide everything that people want yet.

I'm sure that all of these projects are working as fast as is practically possible given the resources available to them. Personally I find it amazing and gratifying that RISC OS has such a breadth of possibilities in such a small market.

As far as I can tell, if people think that there is any chance of doing better, then it means that there is a viable way to develop a browser for RISC OS. The solution is to get together, with money and time, set up a company and then employ a programmer to finish off the work. This is something that I imagine anyone with the time and money could do. It doesn't require programming experience or anything like that. If producing a RISC OS browser is viable, then such a scheme will generate money for whoever does it.

Having said that, if you want a browser with Flash, I'm sure the best idea is to support Oregano by telling them you'll buy their product.

If you want a browser that will be more likely guaranteed updates in the future, but without Flash, think of a way to support the Firefox project.

If you want RealPlayer support or something else, you're going to have to employ a programmer to do the work. I personally doubt if it will happen otherwise.

This *really* isn't intended as a rant, and I'm really sorry if it comes across that way. It just strikes me that the hardware producers simply don't think it's their job to write a browser, even if it would indirectly benefit them. There are already projects doing what people want, but they're just taking too long. The only solution is to support these projects. More than anything else, this probably requires time from people, as much as money.

It would be sad if people left the platform for the lack of browser etc. But I do get the impresion that there really are people out there trying to address these issues. It's just a lengthy (and maybe frustrating) process.

I'm not claiming that I do anything particular to support these projects by the way, and I'm sorry if I've made presumptions about what these projects need.

 is a RISC OS Userflypig on 24/10/06 3:31PM
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