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> Both come with a top-notch Web browser Well, there's IE, source of 50% of security holes for the past 5 years, and Safari, based on an open source browser. ROS has no free one yet, but people are working on various options.

> email client OE? Funny. Messenger is free and better.

> media player Codecs and an video player API. The player part is easy.

> text editor Edit is better than Notepad by about 1AU, StrongEd, Zap, triv.

> image viewer Although the XP picture viewer isn't great, the printing stuff is good. Thump is better.

> basic movie editor Cineworks?

> Apple also provide an organiser !Organizer, very cheap anyway.

> jukebox (iTunes). There are 101 audio players for ROS, although I don't think any have library functions.

So apart from the browser, the only problem is bundling all this free stuff with the OS? Half of it is anyway, Castle and ROL both have free software with their systems. Maybe you want some kind of system like debian and linux....

> How do you know how much money ROL have? Are you privy to their accounts? Their earlier ones, yes, everyone was. If they had enough money from ROS4 they would have started on the 32bit OS, if they had enough money to wait until they'd finished Adjust they wouldn't have raised cash via subscriptions for Select

> As far as I can see, they employ at least one engineer A sign of a company with lots of money?

> and have found the time for said engineering staff to mess around with rounded buttons, graduated backdrops and the structure of !Boot The alternative being to start work on 32bit/java/browser/media player and run out of money before they had anything to sell.

> Yes, I would rather have seen ROL spend their time on useful things that others can do for nearly free. What guarantee was there that MW would port GIMPrint or David McEwan would write a media player? Then they couldn't have improved the OS as well, and MW and DM couldn't have done that work as they didn't work for ROL. None, but they did, as did Photodesk, and the Kino(Amp) people. Also now everyone has the ability to have these features, not just Select owers

> Why should a RISC OS user pay for Oregano or use less-capable browsers? Because they chose to use an OS with a small user base. Same reason they have to pay more for the hardware.

> It is the responsibility of the OS developer to develop and bundle such utilities. That's the way it works nowadays. It's hardly radical or The Only Way To Save RISC OS - it's copying the market leaders in order to survive as a viable platform. Attempting to play catchup with Microsoft isn't a sane plan, you can't win.

It's the responsibility of ROL to keep existing, it seems unlikely that your suggestions would help that cause. Of course if they do that by creating emulators that's also crazy.

 is a RISC OS Usermavhc on 08/06/04 2:31PM
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