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Business as usual for RISCOS Ltd.

By Chris Williams. Published: 5th Jul 2003, 22:25:22 | Permalink | Printable

Select prepares for Iyonix migration

That's the message from RISCOS Ltd. this weekend following the news of Castle Technology acquiring RISC OS from Pace.

"I would like to assure everyone that it is business as usual for RISCOS Ltd, Select, our AMS's and purchasers of RISC OS 4", RISCOS Ltd.'s Managing Director Paul Middleton told the 'Bar following Friday's news.

"We are continuing with all our plans for Select. The final version of Select 3 will be released shortly, and we fully expect to be able to include some of the current Select features for Iyonix users in the next release."

So that's good news for Iyonix users with a Select subscription. This is also probably the first time RISCOS Ltd. have cautiously but nonetheless publically stated that at least some parts of Select are ready for the Iyonix. It's also, of course, good news for other Select users who may be worried about what the change in ownership of the OS will mean for the subscription scheme.

The RiscPC is approaching its 10th birthday and it's assumed RISCOS Ltd. will be keen to see their OS continue and getting it injected into newer hardware is crucial; the Iyonix is particularly attractive with its much talked about XScale processor, and the MicroDigital offerings too when they materialise.

Paul also added that the RISCOS Ltd. shareholders will be briefed ahead of a public statement to be issued during the next week.

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sweeet. It's all good I suppose.

 is a RISC OS UserSnig on 5/7/03 11:00PM
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I'm sure someone will find something to moan about.

 is a RISC OS UserPhlip on 6/7/03 10:57AM
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<moan> There's not enough comments here </moan>

Happy now?

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 6/7/03 11:02AM
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first post!

 is a RISC OS Usertakkaria on 6/7/03 11:03AM
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If we really /do/ get Select on Iyonix, then there's one less reason not to get an Iyonix. I'd still like to hear jwb's reasons for deriding Select so much, again. If a "Select for Iyonix" is to be good, it has to be the whole OS, which means ROL and CTL working closely together and integrating code -- it can't just be bits and pieces of softload modules -- that would be awful. I still rather doubt we'll see the best conclusion from this big mess, alas.

 is a RISC OS Userimj on 6/7/03 11:08AM
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Why would, say, Select !Boot, Toolbox, IFR, IFC, Apps, Thumbnailing, Alpha channel sprites etc, be awful?

 is a RISC OS Usermavhc on 6/7/03 11:13AM
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My Iyonix is on order.

My Select subscription is due for renewal in a few months time.

Martyn

 is a RISC OS UserMartyn Fox on 6/7/03 11:22AM
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mavhc> Deliberately misread what I wrote. Well done. I didn't say those things would be awful you muppet, I said a disjoint OS with half in ROM and half softload replaing ROM components would be awful. Toolbox, IFR, IFC, Thumbnailing filer etc all belong in the ROM, not as "bitty" softload replacement components. The point is, the OS should be an integrated whole, not patched-up botch.

 is a RISC OS Userimj on 6/7/03 11:25AM
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Phlip: In a mere 11 minutes your prediction came true. How depressing.

imj:Or course it would be better if all core OS elements were in the ROM! A Sunday no-brainer for us all to ponder. However, if that turns out not to be the case (e.g. too expensive to be realistic) then I'd hardly call it 'awful'. At most ugly or inelegant. What would be 'awful' is two entirely seperate versions of RISC OS, or not having a 32-bit RISC OS at all, or any of the other potential show-stoppers we appear to have narrowly avoided over the past few years. Please remember that RISC OS is very lucky to be alive, and people taking minor (and in this case pretty damn obvious) potential 'issues' and shouting about them in such a confrontational and childish manner is less than helpful.

mavhc: I believe you understood imj perfectly well and that you were simply pointing out that having all of those things on an Iyonix as softloads is somewhat better than not having them at all. I agree.

 is a RISC OS Useranjackson on 6/7/03 12:44PM
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mav has a long history of, well, trolling. As with all trolls, he should be ignored.

anj: If "moaning" is being up front about issues, and not pussy-footing about with excessive platitudes, then many of us are guilty.

For RISC OS to survive in any useful way, we must be almost brutal with facts in order to make people understand. None of this means being negative, nor unpleasant to people, but the issues won't go away just because something thinks they might have been.

imj: you're well aware that jwb hasn't derided Select. Statements made by jwb about Select and RISC OS 5 are enitrely related to the business realities of the situation.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 6/7/03 1:03PM
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Toolbox has hardly ever been in ROM. IFC might as well be loaded when needed, save RAM. 256 Colour sprites are already loaded from disc.

But anyway, if you had the user side of Select (not the under the hood improvements, which would take much longer to integrate) in the Iyonix ROM image, which is loaded into RAM anyway, that would be acceptable for now?

ROL said they'd make sure new code was 32bit compatible, if that's still the case then there shouldn't be too much of a problem. I expect a lot of of the new code is in C, which helps too I suppose.

 is a RISC OS Usermavhc on 6/7/03 1:20PM
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Surly some Select on Iyonix would be better than no Select. Also I would think the time to load the extra modules at boot up would be negligible so where is the problem? imj>your argument somewhat falls apart considering all of Select is softloaded.

 is a RISC OS Userwilf on 6/7/03 3:50PM
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The Select ROM is softloaded in its current form. But that's not what Ian is talking about at all.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 6/7/03 4:12PM
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I'm sorry. I just wish people would justify their statments when they complain about things.

 is a RISC OS Userwilf on 6/7/03 5:16PM
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Dont forget that the iyonix has flash ROM.

Less need for soft loading from a HD methinks...

It is all good.

 is a RISC OS Userepistaxsis_RISC OS on 6/7/03 7:10PM
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Only 4MB, but you should be able to compress Select into it as it's copied to RAM first anyway.

Does the Iyonix have an virus protection for its flash ROM?

 is a RISC OS Usermavhc on 6/7/03 8:21PM
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mrchocky: I've got nothing against folks raising issues and putting their point across emphatically if the ends justifies the means. I got riled because imj was using a particularly large (and muppet-shaped) sledgehammer to crack what I think is a very small nut indeed. I think I'll stay out of it in future.

mavhc: The website has the carefully worded phrase: "[...] as the Flash ROM can only be programmed by an updated version of the operating system, RISC OS it is not subject to viruses in the same way as disc based operating systems."

There's always VProtect :)

 is a RISC OS Useranjackson on 7/7/03 10:10AM
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Only 4MB?

I thought it was more than that...

 is a RISC OS Userepistaxsis@work on 7/7/03 10:22AM
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...about 6MB, which is why you compress it.

-- Peter, drobe.co.uk

 is a RISC OS Usermrchocky on 7/7/03 10:52AM
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Philip: You were right, many complaints, moans and grunbles have already been made in all manner of sizes!

Still some important issues have been raised! :)

 is a RISC OS UserTimothy609 on 7/7/03 6:14PM
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