vshears (+2.5)
28/8/03 2:11PM |
This does seem to be a very worthwhile project and Martin is just the sort of guy to succesfully puli it off.
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Timothy609 (+2.5)
28/8/03 4:09PM |
Yes I think i'll donate some money to a very worthy cause! |
simo (+1.5)
28/8/03 5:01PM |
Don't get me wrong, this sounds great, but now we'll have:
ROUGPS from MW;
Printers+ from ROL/Sourceforge;
Popup printers from Castle;
UniPrint/network printers from RCI;
PhotoReal from PhotoDesk
Kinda need some pooling of resources here guys.....
(Personally I find !Printers v1.64 coupled with LanMan98 and Samba/CUPS on the Linux box works nicely!)
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mikeg (+2.5)
28/8/03 6:46PM |
In reply to simo:
Printers+ is a front end mod, as is Castle's effort. UniPrint does what GDI does for Windows, and slings a massive bitmap across the network.
The Photodesk drivers are the only thing that is anywhere near competing, and they must be a total pain to deveop and support.
More power to yer elba, Mr W. |
wuerthne (+3.5)
28/8/03 7:01PM |
In reply to simo:
I think you mix up the levels here. Printers+ and Popup printers are not on the same level as UniPrint and PhotoReal. You can use either of the first two with either of the second two. It is not yet clear where ROUGPS will stand. It might be on the same level as UniPrint/PhotoReal or it might come with its own front-end that you could run alongside !Printers.
Martin |
Mart (+1.0)
28/8/03 10:10PM |
We (the RiscOS community) have been moaning for ages about the lack of up to date printing support. Someone comes along with the know how and offers to do something and all we do is criticse! I for one have pledged my support anyone else?
Martin, Sunny Shropshire. |
simo
28/8/03 11:03PM |
Thanks for clearing that up guys (and I wasn't criticising)!
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JGZimmerle (-1.0)
28/8/03 11:32PM |
I think Mart has a point there. Not that I think that simo did a lot of criticiseing. But I too have noticed that people seem to have developed a negative attitude towards things.
It's most noticable in the Iyonix/Omega conversations. There has been so much negative talk on the net about this, that a lot of people have just gone to PC land. So we all (and I am no exception) have done a lot of damage to the market. IMO negative aspects of the platform should not be discussed on the net, but in user group meetings. No maker of embedded products is going to use RISC OS for these, when theres so much negative talk about it on the net.
Now from this posting somebody could get the impression that RISC OS is no good and I just want people to keep quiet about it, but this is not true. Every similar product has its strengths and weaknesses. But the RISC OS community mostly seems to mention its few weaknesses over and over again, and keeps quiet about its many strengths.
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wuerthne
29/8/03 11:13AM |
In reply to JGZ:
I do not think it helps to ignore negative aspects and keep quiet about them - or even worse tell people off for mentioning them. Self-imposed censorship like that does not help. If there is a problem we need to discuss it. There are too many people around who would say that everything is great when in fact it isn't. We can only solve problems if we can pinpoint them. This does not necessarily have to end up in mud-slinging. |
JGZimmerle
29/8/03 11:36AM |
@Martin: But I'm not saying we should ignore anything. I'm just saying we should not discuss negative aspects in public places like newsgroups and open websites. There are enough other places (like private SmartGroups/YahooGroups, user group meetings and magazines, private mailinglists) where such issues can be discussed without doing any damage.
I do not think that the !Printers+ discussion on the newsgroups falls under the "negative aspects" category, but there are and were way too many negative discussions in public forums and I am not sure wether the damage to RISC OS' reputation among big companies can be repaired. ATM if you want to sell an embedded RISC OS product to a big company you have avoid mentioning RISC OS, at least until you had a chance to demonstrate the product to the decision makers. And this is not easy at all, because usually one of the first questions asked is what OS it runs.
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quatermass (+0.5)
29/8/03 2:00PM |
I don't think gimp-print is the 'final solution'.
I see that HP supports hpijs for Linux which is at http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/
So I suppose someone needs to port this as well?
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wuerthne (+2.5)
29/8/03 4:50PM |
In reply to quatermass:
There is a lot of Linux stuff out there that could be ported and a lot of it duplicates functionality found in other software. I cannot see a reason why we should need to port HP's drivers as well if gimp-print gives good results with the printers in question.
In addition, HP's drivers are add-ons to ghostscript, so we are back to printing through PostScript with all its limitations. Yes, a printer driver based on GhostScript is conceivable as well but I have chosen a different approach. Nobody stops your or anybody else from creating a ghostscript-based driver. |
Spriteman (+2.0)
30/8/03 11:47AM |
"JGZ"
Do you really think that anyone apart from RISC OS users really reads drobe.co.uk or comp.sys.acorn.*? Sounds like a load of nonsense to me.
I do agree with you that people emphasis the negative, perhaps too much. But I think this stems from the fact that if it works then it's hardly worth talking about. If it's broke then kick up a fuss and get it fixed 
And any way, when you think about it, do you really think that your above comments will in any way stop people doing what they want?
If you want to show the positive side of risc os, point people to the Drobe headlines. These guys do a great job promoting RISC OS. (my JGZ approved positive comment)
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moss (+2.0)
30/8/03 2:30PM |
You could always turn of comments to anyone who isn't accessing Drobe with a RISC OS browser  |
jlavallin
1/9/03 6:28PM |
Is a RISC OS version of gimp-print likely to be much slower on a Mico/A7000
/Riscstation than the usual RISC OS Printers.?
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