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On In brief: Acorn World show this weekend:

[link]

"** ALL TICKETS FOR ACORN WORLD / RETRO REUNITED HAVE NOW BEEN SOLD **"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 11/9/09 10:21AM
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On 'Threaded' Firefox for RISC OS build released to test:

And the number comfortable working with Peter Naulls?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 9/9/09 12:14PM
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On NetSurf on RISC OS faces axe:

"it's hard to imagine anything worse. And yes, I've seen some of the more recent show photos; no contest so far"

Ooh, I like a challenge.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/8/09 7:46PM
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On NetSurf on RISC OS faces axe:

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 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 14/8/09 11:39PM
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On NetSurf on RISC OS faces axe:

Exactly as there should be.

[link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 10/8/09 10:08AM
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On Five tips for ROL over the next five years:

"And ultimately, given a free OS from ROOL and a free emulator in the form of RPCEmu, what's so bad about that?"

If I were given a choice over a 26bit ROOL RO5 and a 32bit ROOL RO5 for use with RPCEmu (or a real RPC for that matter) I would pick the 26bit, at least until more of the applications that exclusively use the 32bit versions features are released.

Which probably means I'd being using 26bit for ever ...

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/5/09 2:36PM
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On Is there a way out of RISC OS version number hell?:

They already have their own version numbering.

"why bother trying to keep them "compatible"?"

So that a single application can work on both (and have some ability to determine whether or not a feature is supported based on more than just a number, which has been reused for different purposes on two branches)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/4/09 10:40AM
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On RISC OS 5 spotted running on RPCEmu:

Tom, was going to mail the list with this, but I'll post here too, and possibly stick it on ROOL forum too.

[link]

"The sources have acquired a light sprinkling of ARMv4 instructions like UMULL, in SpriteExtend for one, which means they won’t work properly as-is on pre-StrongARM machines."

It looks like there's also some ARMv5 in there too as you found. Which is something ROOL will have to fix for real hardware.

[link]

"Known issues include: CMOS appears to be reset on every boot"

There's the mouse reconfiguration.

It also looks from the commit messages that this has very much been developed on an A7000, as such I also wouldn't expect Quadrature mouse yet. And it looks to have a fairly hard-coded memory map, which could be the 8MB only you found?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/4/09 10:21AM
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On Wakefield 2009 wrap-up, photos and video:

Yes, he's sure. Ta Steve.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/4/09 4:20PM
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On Wakefield 2009 wrap-up, photos and video:

"an A7000 also running RISC OS 5 - which could mean we're close to a RiscPC-compatible build of RISC OS 5 being made freely available. The ROM image doesn't work with RPCEmu, though."

Once it's downloadable, I'll run it though a few tests. There's a fair number of potential sticking points for a 32bit OS, but none should be unsurmountable.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/4/09 1:46PM
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On DigitalCD developer seeks beta testers for version 3.0:

em2ac: I think it means he has already got testers for RiscPC (himself) and is looking for setups he has not got.

The webpage suggests 3.1 -> 5 compatability

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/4/09 10:33AM
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On New RISC OS ownership claim may derail ROOL RiscPC ROM release:

ROOL would be a fool to sign anything from ROL. At the moment Castle has granted them their rights, and rights to every other member of the public too. If ROL have a problem with that, ROL need to contact Castle and ask them to change the terms of the shared source license.

And Castle will tell them to "f*** off" to their face.

As mentioned before, the status quo has not changed.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 12/12/08 2:12PM
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On New RISC OS ownership claim may derail ROOL RiscPC ROM release:

"Punishing the dealers/developers because of a new spat between ROL and Castle is a bit on the harsh side."

And yet the correct course of action. Most of the dealers are shareholders of ROL and if you want this situation resolved they're the people you need to convince that this is a very poor course of action.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 12/12/08 9:37AM
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On New lead developer for RPCEmu emerges:

It has two compile time modes.

Interpreted - ARM to C, which should work on any processor architecture [1]

Dynamic Recompilation - ARM to x86-32 and x86-64 machine code, a more direct mapping for these two architectures, that should offer a speed boost, but only on those specific architectures. In theory further target CPU architectures could be supported.

[1] In reality there are still a couple of endianness issues that need to be resolved for big endian processors such as PPC and Sparc.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 2/12/08 2:28PM
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On Prototype affordable Braille display in development:

Peter N did a port of Lynx and two other terminal browsers (links and elinks I think) as part of the Unix Porting Project. I've had a quick look on riscos.info but haven't been able to find them.

You could ask on the 'gcc' list and probably find someone who knows where they've gone [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/11/08 10:16AM
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On Prototype affordable Braille display in development:

I remember 10 years ago a blind lady browsing the web on a braille machine connected to the serial port of a DOS PC running lynx. Quite an eye opener, and something I always try to consider when designing web pages. She also used a terminal style email client.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/11/08 3:54PM
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On South East 2008 theatre talk videos now online:

After being there for both of the presentations. ROOL at least appeared mildy upbeat and with an idea of what it might do in the future. ROL however, if I hadn't been turning Leo's camera on and off I would have wandered off.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/11/08 2:51PM
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On Experimental RISC OS emulation layer for ARM-powered devices:

Unfortunately you really can't make demands of people working on free projects. Most of these projects are written as a combination of "That would be fun", and "I think the other methods miss the point". The best you can do is to either sit back and wait to see which ones survive or offer your services to those that interest you the most.

Expecting loads of geeky types to agree on a single course of action ... hahahahahahahaha.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/11/08 11:44AM
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On Adventures with a Lego-cased A7K web server:

Well, when you benchmark them you'll be able to say for sure, until then it's just hot air.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/11/08 10:19AM
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On Adventures with a Lego-cased A7K web server:

I had initially planned on benchmarking NetBSD alongside RISC OS on the A7000. However <a href="[link]">my adventures</a> with NetBSD suggest that the A7000 and Risc PC are no longer supported platforms (in reality as opposed to what the web pages say).

I did for a short time manage to get NetBSD 3.1 working on it long enough to benchmark one server. It got a peak transfer of about 210KB/s, which is almost identical to RISC OS.

This surprised me rather a lot and left me wondering if there was a hardware limit I'd run into.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/11/08 10:08AM
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On Adventures with a Lego-cased A7K web server:

The mode was 640x480 in 8bpp colours. In theory a drop to 16 colours would halve the video bandwidth used. However if I remember correctly the VNC server recommended 8bpp.

The Mico should have had more performance that an A7000, the Mico being closer in design to an A7000+

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/11/08 1:08PM
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On EeePCs and RPCEmu at ROUGOL:

"Perhaps there is an easier way of achieving this - if so please share"

Yes, you need a Xandros package. That way it'll install like every other bit of optional software on your eeePC. It will automatically stick an icon in your program launcher and you're done.

ATM, work needs to be done on rpcemu to allow it to be easily installed system wide. But is it not better that done that creating an elaborate, one application specific, method of installing software on one set of hardware?

Linux package management and application installation is a solved problem, we just need to make use of it.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/11/08 10:36AM
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On EeePCs and RPCEmu at ROUGOL:

Package it for a distribution, not as a distribution.

In other words, 90% of the recent article (about compiling and installing rpcemu) goes away as people just pick the 'rpcemu' package from the repository of available programs.

Whilst bundling rpcemu with a distribution to create a RISC OS machine crops up as an idea every so often, I'm not sure it's actually that useful? People seem to like the advantages that the host OS can bring, a browser that doesn't suck, for example. So running the two OSs alongside each other seems preferable to deliberatly hiding the host OS for the sake of nostalgic purity.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/11/08 12:01AM
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On Star Fighter 3000: The Next Generation review:

I was very tempted to pick up the risc world CD with this on, but a broken save game is one of the most glaring omissions I've ever seen in a piece of released software. Seriously, did this not crop up in testing?

Are there actually plans to resolve this? Or now that everyone has bought it, is there just no reason too?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/11/08 12:13PM
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On South East 2008 show round up:

[link]

It's not RoX, it's not ROLF, it's not done yet :-)

It does however run on top of pretty much any Linux/BSD/Solaris/$OTHERUNIX and runs all the other apps.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 31/10/08 5:49PM
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On Iyonix range taken off the market:

Stoppers: "In what way would it be better?"

1) As Rob mentioned, support for the majority of graphics cards including acceleration. 2) A few thousand or tens of thousands of applications that run.

"It sounds like you are asking for a simple veneer over the regular way that a Unix system works"

Very much so, because to solve the needs of RISC OS users, more isn't needed. At the same time they gain all the advantages of UNIX that RISC OS has been missing over the years (PMT, memory protection, multi-user, shared libraries, good development APIs and tools, package management solved)

"whereas ROLF is just trying to use the superior Linux kernel to bring tried and true mechanisms from RISC OS to new hardware."

I suspect ROLF's use of the linux kernel may bring most (all) of the UNIX advantages I listed above, but without applications, it's of less use to end users than RISC OS is.

"At the moment, I'm working on porting NetSurf to run natively"

I presume after you've finished with netsurf, you'll move onto a more capable browser? Because if you've followed any of the endless threads on csa.* you'll know that netsurf, whilst capable hasn't filled all the needs of browser requiring RISC OS users.

You may have created the technically interesting solution, that may in fact be better than the alternatives, but I doubt it's one that will see much use, even inside the former RISC OS community.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 10/10/08 2:29PM
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On Iyonix range taken off the market:

ROLF would be better if it hadn't thrown away X

ROX would be better if it didn't require people to explore new ways of linux package management,

If these projects actually made use of the available 'well used' methods, then more people would use them due to being easier to install and run ... but it's not like anything RISC OS related actually wants users.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 10/10/08 10:42AM
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On Blu-ray disc burn breakthrough:

!IAmOnFire

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 17/4/08 7:45PM
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On A call to ARMs:

If I thought that producing commercial software would get me more sales and be easier to write on RISC OS than on another platform I'd write commercial software for RISC OS. Unfortunately reality doesn't seem bear that out.

Many of RISC OS's most talented developers, producers, software houses and even some the dealers branched out into other platforms, not because they disliked RISC OS, but because of the opportunity those other platforms provided them.

I think the days of seeing large commercial applications, something the size of Ovation or Artworks, being written from scratch for RISC OS is far far behind us.

If you won the lottery tomorrow, would you plow all of it into developing RISC OS, or would you realise that the chances of seeing that money again would be incredibly slim?

What's left? porting application from other platforms, updates to existing software, small commercial software and utilities, and continuing to rely on the generous time donated by open source and freeware developers.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 30/1/08 2:24PM
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On Ditching desktops for portables: The way forward?:

rjek: "However, I'd much sooner use Windows CE/PocketPC on a PDA or phone than RISC OS: the GUI is far superior for tiny screens - something flibble once elegantly pointed out using ArcEm once."

I believe this is the picture.

[link]

A simple demonstration that the current WIMP design doesn't scale down to common PDA resolutions of 240x320 or lower.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 6/1/08 2:33PM
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On Building a RISC OS laptop out of Lego:

Further updates include,

1) Rebuilt the handle, it is now strong enough to actually carry it :) 2) Hinge strengthening, it is just about strong enough to hold the weight of the screen when open, without bending over backwards with the sound of splitting lego. 3) Software, finally put something on the machine :) 4) Made a MDF for the screen, disappointed to not be able to do 640x480 in 16 bit colour (only 8 bit) [*]

[*] Please send emergency a7000+ motherboard, ktb

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 03/12/07 3:19PM
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On Building a RISC OS laptop out of Lego:

In other laptop news, I've managed to move the hard drive to the other side of the case, this has freed up the RAM slot, and I now have a much more usable 20MB of RAM in the machine.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/11/07 00:04AM
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On Building a RISC OS laptop out of Lego:

sa110: Batteries might be a bit of a problem, there's not really enough space to fit them in. The idea solution would be to use something like an A9, lower power requirements, smaller motherboard (I could probably also make the case less thick) and better hardware. Unfortunately the ideal solution is quite an expensive one.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/11/07 2:43PM
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On Building a RISC OS laptop out of Lego:

mrmac: finding a suitable donor laptop may be next to impossible. The motherboards in laptops are often very odd shapes even the diminutive A9 motherboard is wider than the A4 motherboard from 15 years ago. Then add in the needs for long availability, small batches and open specification and you'll be lucky to find an interested company willing to provide it.

If it were an easy task to make a laptop I'm sure one of the following projects would have succeeded already. Acorn Stork, Acorn Artisan, IMS Peanut, Riscstation laptop.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 12/11/07 12:53PM
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On Review: A9home v. Koolu:

It's a pity he had to write it (not his fault) but I'm grateful he did write it. Hats off to the man that can write a balanced review.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/10/07 12:37PM
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On Oregano 3 spotted on a RISC OS desktop:

AW: Yes

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/9/07 10:35AM
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On Oregano 3 spotted on a RISC OS desktop:

AW: Castle/Genesys have never had access to the source code of of any of the Oreganos and have never contributed any code to any of them. It is entirely the work of Oregan Networks. To license the source code from them would likely be considerably more than a "five figure sum".

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/9/07 11:53AM
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On ROX founder: Why I brought RISC OS to Unix:

talex: I think I best ask on the rox devel mailing list, makes more sense than here.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/7/07 12:35PM
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On ROX founder: Why I brought RISC OS to Unix:

complete ... locally working copies from the source repositories in a style that was suitable for packaging.

I hadn't got as far as packaging, not yet having something to pack.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/7/07 10:50PM
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On ROX founder: Why I brought RISC OS to Unix:

rjek: unfortunately my experience of trying to create ubuntu packages for ROX desktop was not great. I spent quite a lot of time experimenting trying to get complete .

So Dr Leonard, any chance of supporting ROX without Zero Install (yes Zero Install has some advantages but I think it might be hindering uptake compared to a standard distro package)

So it can be packaged in a distribution's common format (rpm, deb etc) So it doesn't check for updated versions outside of the distribution's common format. So it can be installed for all users of a system. So it can be installed in full (with all 'on demand' parts pre installed), so there isn't a need for network connection to get the help files etc)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/7/07 10:02PM
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On RISC OS Open: One year on:

stevek woody: Linux has a few other plus points. Portability between ARM/MIPS/PowerPC (most STBs seem to be one of these 3), allowing you to pick the cheapest core. No royalties at all.

Incidentally the reasons you suggest are why of the last 10 or so STB reference designs that came through our office have had Linux on them (and gcc cross compiling based toolchains).

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/7/07 2:46PM
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On Select nets 1,000th subscriber:

Don't propose it here, propose it to ROL's shareholders (a list is available from companies house website), as they are the ones who get to choose.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/07/07 2:25PM
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On Select nets 1,000th subscriber:

Yes, that is fair ... if you are not expected to subscribe to (and pay for) select26 in the mean-time.

Paying for select 26 was the suggestion PM gave in public comments dating back to 2005 (that I was referring too). Though if that has changed, then good, cos it was crap.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/07/07 11:37AM
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On Select nets 1,000th subscriber:

Why would they need to make Iyonix select, they make a fair amount of the same money not making it. Time and again PM has told punters if they want Iyonix select they should 'subscribe', of course nothing has come of it. If you keep paying the man to not deliver, why would he bother making it? </aplicablerantaboutthewholeselectscheme>

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/07/07 10:48AM
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On RISC OS development charity taking shape:

cables: If you want youtube (which uses flash video) ask Castle to provide a H263 video decoder library for the iyonix. Whilst your at it, ask them to provide an abstracted higher level 2D and 3D APIs, abstracted media APIs and language binding for many more programming language, oh and ask them to not charge for it. Then maybe you'd have more people writing the programs that you seek, and programmers won't just head to other platforms where such things are available at no cost.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/6/07 1:18PM
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On App development plans to be hatched at Wakefield:

So what happened at the meeting then?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/05/07 00:06AM
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On Multi-page ArtWorks 2.7 now available:

150 quid is a lot of money, for those for whom 150 quid is a lot of money.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 17/5/07 2:37PM
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On Wakefield 2007 is this Saturday:

I believe there wasn't enough space at the new venue

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 14/5/07 9:50PM
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On App development plans to be hatched at Wakefield:

sa110: As a commercial programmer (or non-commercial one interested in as many people using their software as possible) you program to the minimum version that support the features you need. In the case of 3.7 -> 4.02 the API differences are small enough that any requirement for 4.02 would seem very artificial, to the programmers and knowledgeble users.

'Forcing' users to upgrade sounds like a brilliant way to annoy them into looking for another platform. Give them positive features instead and they'll upgrade. Similaly make new OS versions have useful APIs for programmers and they'll write programs that use them.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/4/07 12:27AM
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On Oregano 3 scrapped:

I'm not convinced of the need for a charity yet, there does not seem to be a lot of freeware and open source developers asking for cash, other than Peter Naulls. Can you name another person that's working for free and wants to be paid for it? Is there a market for the services that this fund is to provide?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/04/07 3:41PM
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On Oregano 3 scrapped:

Has anyone considered asking the NetSurf developers what they need, before you run off and create a non-profit company/foundation/whatever. The NS team have never asked for donations, except to cover show costs etc, and they arn't asking now. They don't seem to be in it to turn a profit. They're are full time employed and it seems unlikely any of them would quit work to work on NS even if you could raise a suitable amount. NetSurf has been created by people willing to give up their free time to work on a program that is intellectually challenging to them, throwing money at the situation might not have the effect you hope.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/04/07 12:34AM
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On The return of the 8bit-era: creating a 'neo-micro':

Time's have moved on, the 'sub 100 quid computer' of the 80's is now the sub 300 quid computer of today. For that you can get a brand new, very capable machine and monitor.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/4/07 2:54PM
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On Multimedia-friendly 1GHz XScale launched:

killermike: a PII can manage DVD playback with dedicated hardware. But it can also do it in software at full speed. You have to go back to Pentium 1 (97-99 ?) before you've not got enough CPU power and need a hardware solution.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 23/4/07 10:53AM
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On Website launches 'help wanted' list:

I've updated [link] with src code snapshots, the svn logs, some more status details, and instructions on how to contact me with patches. I hope this is useful.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 2/4/07 11:42AM
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On Website launches 'help wanted' list:

caliston2: I'll see if I can write something to do it automatically at the weekend

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 30/3/07 2:00PM
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On New user guide for RISC OS 6 as release nears:

"It'll be paid for when it's ready"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/3/07 4:05PM
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On Website launches 'help wanted' list:

joty: There's not much point in putting the code in yet another repository (it's in svn already), but I'll look into making it a bit easier for developers to get hold of the source (in the mean time please email me and I can fill you in with the status and current limitations).

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/3/07 12:04AM
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On Website launches 'help wanted' list:

The situation with QEMU system emulation is a little different than that page makes out. I've updated this page with more information [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/3/07 10:12PM
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On Vigay: I was told to remove my Firefox 2 tutorial:

dgs: This is the atmosphere I was referring too.

At the crux of the matter is Peter Naulls' inability to handle someone writing a tutorial on how to use a piece of Open Source software, if that's an issue for Mr Naulls then I'm afraid volunteering to help on projects with him is out of the question, he has a proven track record of arguing with anyone not working towards his set agenda.

The difference between this argument and those of the past, is this time we're being asked to contribute in time, expertise and money, whilst at the same time Paul Vigay is being shouted at for contributing in the 'wrong way'.

It is in this atmosphere that I wonder if anyone will volunteer to help.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/03/07 5:20PM
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On Vigay: I was told to remove my Firefox 2 tutorial:

Why would anyone volunteer in such an atmosphere?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 21/03/07 11:13PM
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On South West show reports and photos:

thegman: "I'll point out that looking at ROL's accounts shows that they make A LOT more money than I do out of software."

You must be looking at different accounts than me, the ones I've read show that, although they have turnover, they've not made a profit in any year since they started.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 05/03/07 9:05PM
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On Internet Explorer spotted running on a RISC OS:

11 months late, this is a software project after all.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 4/3/07 5:16PM
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On How to port RISC OS 5 to the RiscPC:

druck: You're going to hate an Open RISC OS, people will be forever doing things of which you disapprove, and there's bugger all you can do to stop them.

Embrace it, people will work on what they find interesting and useful TO THEM. If there needs overlap yours, excellent, if not it's not really going to affect you anyway.

From the actual document on the ROOL website "it should still be possible to build the OS to run in 26-bit mode".

"but how many months of effort do you think we should waste to prove that point?"

It's not your time to declare wasted.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 31/1/07 2:28PM
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On Programming tools set for price slash:

druck: To my knowledge the last 10 or so STB reference designs to float through the office were provided with tools chains for free, normally a cross compiling GCC, they are provided by the designers of the STB design in an attempt to promote uptake of the board and thus generate them royalties. It probably depends which embedded market you're referring too, of course, but in the land of IP capable video boxes paying for the the toolchain isn't the norm.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/01/07 7:10PM
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On Programming tools set for price slash:

CJE: personally I'd wait an see what the new price of the tools are. You might find that you need later versions than the ones currently available. I would expect a 10+ year old copy of Acorn's Norcroft isn't going to be entirely suitable to building ROOL sources, even if it works I doubt they'd be much effort made to support tools that old in future.

Of course feel free to keep spamming the comments to try and clear your old stock, I'm sure no one minds really.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/1/07 5:33PM
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On Castle and ROS Open reveal plans for 2007:

JGZimmerle: I code sites by hand using Dreamweaver on Windows. A plain text editor ... with syntax highlighting, error highlighting, validation, reference library, indentation tools, macros, gui method of setting properties and real time previewing. Oh and I can design visually if I so wish.

But where Dreamweaver really comes into its own, and what I could not live without, is the ease with which I can reverse engineer other peoples websites, which is particularly useful in creating minimal test cases of browser bugs (not exactly a common need, but it is very good for it). Of course, I could just be using !Zap or some other text editor and be beating my head against the wall in frustration.

So if you code sites by hand, there are other non RISC OS based alternatives, if you code sites visually you've no choice but to use something else.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/01/07 5:05PM
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On Castle and ROS Open reveal plans for 2007:

druck: "... it will be subverted in to pointless exercises instead of doing something useful ..."

You get the programmers you pay for.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/01/07 1:49PM
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On Castle and ROS Open reveal plans for 2007:

Having been to the SE Show and ROUGOL last Monday and having seen and heard the description of the license I couldn't in good conscience contribute anything under it, even though I have a few ideas (and a small enhancement to SciCalc already). There are too many other projects deserving of my time with more fair/benificial to users/equal licenses out there to work on.

Of course if the license if released and all the restrictions and weirdness isn't in the final version I'll be happy to change my mind.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 21/1/07 1:49PM
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On RISC OS Open licence in hands of lawyers:

If you lot don't behave, I'll take your computers away and send you too your room without any supper.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/01/07 6:04PM
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On RISC OS Open licence in hands of lawyers:

g0tai, sort it out

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/01/07 3:29PM
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On RISC OS Open licence in hands of lawyers:

hzn: Only if there's a version of RISC OS 5 for Risc PC hardware, or Virtual Acorn is expanded to also emulate Iyonix hardware.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/1/07 11:57AM
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On ROS Open awaiting licensing wording agreement:

highlandcattle: thankyou for your definition vapourware, I think you'll find all my examples fit that.

In the case of Phoebe, it was announced over a year before they had working examples, 6 months before they worked, mock-ups were shown to the public at the 2nd largest show of the year, then they started taking deposits for machines. Then they got 2 to work, Then it got canceled. I can't think of a more textbook example of vapourware.

Just how long you decide to wait before accusing a product of being vapourware is left as an exercise to the reader ;) You're only certain in hindsight.

Why these sort of things are bad, and the point lym was making. If you've been told nice-things in the past and they turned out not to happen, you're less likely to trust people making saying nice-things in future. For the last 10 years people have been told many spirit-rousing things by Acorn and its successors, so few have come to pass.

Hence Castle's normal policy of "We'll let you know when we have something", that would probably have been a good idea in this case as well.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/11/06 5:13PM
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On ROS Open awaiting licensing wording agreement:

highlandcattle: And Phoebe, the Stork laptop and the Artisan laptop from Acorn themselves. Cineroma, Chockicino, the Iyonix DVD player. I'm sure I could think of some more if I put my mind to it ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/11/06 4:26PM
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On ROS Open awaiting licensing wording agreement:

7thsoftware: "either of those platforms", so you're fine with varpc and iyonix (and presumably other current RO kit). But does that mean you wouldn't have a problem with a license that stops people from using the software or code on say x86 or Sparc or PowerPC, or other OSes?

Whilst it would be highly technically difficult to port parts to other OSes or CPU architectures, do you (Castle, not really you) really want to limit the opportunities so that a motivated, gifted program couldn't even try? If the tech is good enough there's money for Castle to make on all platforms.

Of course it's very difficult to talk about a license without a copy in front of you, but by the time one is there it may be too late to influence its contents.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/11/06 3:40PM
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On ROS Open awaiting licensing wording agreement:

AMS: putting in additional limitations such as you suggest, will put off people from working with or contributing to the code. It will be yet another way in which the license isn't 'open' (in addition to the commercial/non-commercial split).

Incidentally, Steve Revill (of ROOL), uses VARPC, and used it for the MoreDesk demonstration at ROUGOL, perhaps you should take your dislike of VARPC up with him and persuade him the it should be made illegal under the license ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/11/06 1:37PM
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On Castle directors patch up 'disagreement':

thegman: Aaron (Virtual Acorn) is a shareholder of, customer of (for Virtual Acorn), former (current?) Director of and occasional programmer for ROL, don't expect him to agree with your idea of making ROL irrelevant ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/11/06 2:24PM
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On Pros and cons of rewriting an OS from scratch:

druck: it's called learning, reprogramming a concept that already exists means

a) you know the concept is valid b) you take away a lot of the design work c) you have something to test results against to confirm you've programmed it correctly

and of course

d) you become more experienced in the language or technology that the concept is written in

When will people stop making demands of free software authors 'why won't they just do what I want'? Learn to program, discover that often it's about the satisfaction of having something you've written work, not about being paid, or trying to please a bunch of argumentative idiots on newsgroups/forums who can't even themselves agree on what a program should do.

In reply to sa110: or they could write a program and have it used by more than 5000 people? By definition emulator writers have experience in other platforms, why would they move from those other, often easier to program, platforms to the development dead-end of RISC OS?

... what am I doing here?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/11/06 11:11AM
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On Firefox 2 will be Iyonix-only:

JGZimmerle: Such as? OpenSSL, JPEGLib, libgif, Javascript, libpng? Those are in use in both Firefox and Netsurf and even commercial Oregano.

It does admitedly have the best integration with RISC OS, and a HTML4 compliant rendering engine. But it needs lots of work from a CSS and DOM point of view. It is easier to make the other browsers more RISC OSy than it is to write a compliant CSS and DOM engine.

Also, we've not seen the code to Browse yet, nor the license, it might not be as open as you hope.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/11/06 8:01PM
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On Firefox 2 will be Iyonix-only:

Browse does not support Javascript ... well kind of true, the most recent versions I've used had the Javascript library compiled in, but lacked DOM support, DOM is what Javascript uses to control webpages content and the behaviour of the browser, without it it's useless for doing what people consider 'Javascript webapges'. Both Netsurf and Browse need DOM implimentations, they are a huge amount of work as they involve you rewritting large sections of code to handle Javascript adding and removing parts of a web page on the fly (as one of the many examples).

Firefox has a very complete Javascript *and* DOM implementation.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/11/06 7:38PM
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On ROL calls for Select coders and testers:

CJE: Chris I think you missed part of his message "I see no reason to resubscribe" implies he has subscribed in the past.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 16/11/06 7:32PM
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On ROL calls for Select coders and testers:

CJE: Select 4 was demonstrated in a 'very near complete state' at Wakefield and ROUGOL in May 2006. It was hoped that it would be available to subscribers at the Big Ben show in June 2006.

The question is once again. Where's Select 4 Paul?

Had I believed ROL at either of those events what would 6 months of Select subscription got me?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/11/06 12:36PM
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On ROL calls for Select coders and testers:

sa110: "Why should ROL merge with ROOL?"

These are the sentiments that have been kicking around before.

1) It would allow all people to have access to the same version of RISC OS with the same features regardless of the hardware they own. 2) It would stop two groups of people implementing the same features, wasting time 3) It would allow programmers a common API and ABI to program against. 4) It removes the idea of 'us against them' that is so prevalent on all RISC OS forums and present at RISC OS shows.

And here's why it won't happen

1) Castle and Risc OS Ltd hate each other's guts.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 13/11/06 11:08AM
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On ROL calls for Select coders and testers:

cheatwarrior: cos yes, in the source code of risc os, there's one just hanging around.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 12/11/06 9:24PM
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On ROL calls for Select coders and testers:

Where's Select 4 Paul?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 12/11/06 5:00PM
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On Punters to vote on TechWriter future:

markee174: If you want to 'port things' would it not be better to port the whole OS onto commodity hardware?"

Would it be better? From the remaining commercial players point of view [1], it's probably not so great, commodity hardware means little profit for the hardware manufacturers as they can be easily competed against, driving down prices. The software developers would have to do lots of recoding work based on a CPU architecture change (many times the amount of effort the 26->32 addressing changes required) and have absolutly no guarantee of the 'massive increase in potential users' that porting their software to Windows would bring.

It's not a bad idea, it's interesting technically and kind of fun, but I wouldn't expect lots of companies in the RISC OS market to push for it.

[1] And just the commercial developers point of view, from a users point of view faster and cheaper hardware is great.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 11/11/06 00:30AM
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On Punters to vote on TechWriter future:

it's already dead from a commercial software point of view, I can think of no app that could be written from scratch to provide enough income to a programmer to rely on it as their livelihood. There's a few oportunities left in supporting existing apps, where the income will outstrip the effort.

There's not enough users left, and those that remain are divided, bitter, jaded, desperate, vocal and have been burnt too many unfulfilled promises.

The only advice I have for those people relying on RISC OS for their income is diversify, be it into other products, support for other OSes, other markets, and to be honest do whatever it takes to pay the bills and remember that if RISC OS falls it's not your fault, that's been on the cards for so many years now.

</realitycheck>

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 10/11/06 11:40AM
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On ROS mailing lists face closure:

moss: ease of setup, cost, not all projects that have mailing lists have their own hosting and those that do don't always have full shell access and the ability to install whatever mailing list software they want.

The usual reasons ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 6/11/06 6:38PM
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On South East 2006 show videos:

hzn: then google wouldn't host them for free

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 31/10/06 3:55PM
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On South East 2006 show videos:

bucksboy: No, it doesn't work on O3, it could be made to work is someone provides a H263 video decoder and cash.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 31/10/06 11:17AM
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On South East 2006 show report:

druck: I use google groups to post to csa.*, do you have a problem with them? Alternatively give a link to a free NNTP server that lets me post as well as read.

If you must use windows, use Thunderbird, it's free and a decent threaded newsreader,

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/10/06 6:26PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

sorry, typo in above.

some coders, with enthusiasm

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/10/06 11:30AM
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On South East 2006 show report:

more coders, with enthusiasm

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/10/06 10:56AM
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On South East 2006 show report:

I suppose my point is, it would be orders of magnitude cheaper for ROL to not support browser development.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/10/06 7:41PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

mrchocky: "it would be orders of magnitude cheaper for ROL to support existing browser development", but lets see how viable it is, let's say ROL put up the money (or provided a programmer) for someone to work on a browser for 6 months, let's say a very very cheap 25000/year programmer.

25000 / 2 = 12500 ukp

12500 = 83.bit select subscriptions @ 150ukp a time.

So it's viable if at the end of the it 83 *more* people buy Select.

Assumptions made. "All problems can be fixed in 6 months by one person" "A programmer of the correct skillset can be found, and willing to take on a 6 month contract at a below industry rate" "People would pay for Select just to offer ROL a return on their investment even though the browser wouldn't necesarily require it"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 25/10/06 5:54PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

VinceH: perhaps, but then again maybe not, I'm not even meant to talk about it, yadda yadda, direct all enquires to Richard Brown, etc.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 5:58PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

Aww fuck it, if anyone wants a copy of Oregano 3, I'll get you one. 500 ukp in non-sequential 10 pound notes. No promises, and the NDA involves me killing you.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 4:58PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

Peter Darnell: let them build a track record of results before you assign them any more responsibilty, or for that matter throw money at them.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 4:46PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

bucksboy: This is going to sound annoying I know :) But perhaps you're no longer the person that those companies are aiming to sell things too? If it costs more to supply your needs (and people similar to you) than they'd gain in income, why would they do it?

Of course they'll happily tell you "You're very important to us, please subscribe to XYZ to support future development", it's called marketing.

I don't know what the answer is to a browser for RISC OS. Maybe you should look at alternate OSes. At least they browser would be cheaper and available right now.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 2:20PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

sa110: When people write software as a hobby, in their own free time, they are addressing there own interests and requirements. When those interests overlap with your needs, everyone is happy, when they don't you moan.

People don't just code for financial gain, a few hundred or even thousand quid return for a RISC OS app that they don't want to write isn't really worth it, when they could get no return and write something they want too.

Although I'm not a huge ESR fan, this doc might help you understand coders motivations a little more. [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 1:49PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

nw: "... whether it's an acceptable Firefox 6, Netsurf with Javascript, or Oregano 3. (I, as would other users, would be willing to pre-buy, donate, whatever)."

If experience has taught you anything in the RISC OS world, pre-buying, subscribing amd donating is generally a bad idea. If you treat companies like charities, they'll treat you like donors and donors don't have to receive products.

However, next time someone releases a freeware or Open Source app that you really like, give them money.

Most current RISC OS development is coming from people who give their time and effort for no reward, reward them for their efforts, don't reward anyone in advance of a product you may never receive.

Peter (Oregano 3 developer)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/06 1:02PM
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On South East 2006 show report:

flypig: Only negatives were that Select 4 has now been perpetually "2 weeks away" for more than 6 months. And that ROOL hadn't gotten much further than had been publically reported on drobe before, which was a bit disapointing.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 23/10/06 12:36PM
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On RISC OS 6 to power Select 4:

SimonC: You forget, that VA-RPC is programmatically a Risc PC, so if you're making a version for that, you get a version for the RPC/A7000 at the same time. Paul M at ROUGOL earlier in the year said that over 3000 copies of VA-RPC had been sold, that's probably a large part of their market now.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/10/06 11:13AM
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On RISC OS 6 to power Select 4:

"I am not a number, I am a free man"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/10/06 12:03AM
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On RISC OS 6 to power Select 4:

em2ac: If you treat ROL like a charity, they're treat you like a donor and not a customer. Donors don't receive products.

ajb: repeat after me "It's just a number".

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/10/06 11:54AM
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On RISC OS 6 to power Select 4:

It's just a number, and with all RO version numbers and module numbers, it's still impossible to determine any idea of feature set from that number since the source code split.

Be the first with RISC OS 7 [link] [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/10/06 7:32PM
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On Not enough room for two mags says Qercus ed:

jc: issue 278, is that the spring/summer issue, or the autumn/winter issue?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 13/10/06 3:04PM
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On Not enough room for two mags says Qercus ed:

sawadee: Get over it, if you want a paper RISC OS magazine, pay for the shipping, move to a nearer country or just read drobe. If you think your 'ship as PDF version' would get more than a handful of customers in such a tiny market as this, present your detailed researched potential numbers to John and Louie and give them a chance to decide if the cost is worth it.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 13/10/06 11:40AM
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On How to create a modern desktop theme:

I really ought to try and find these 2 themes again, if anyone is interested in a copy.

Smokey Blue, based upon a GTK2 theme [link]

A flat white theme, I tried to follow the style of Spriteman's toolsprites accross the iconsprites. [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 4/10/06 11:37PM
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On RISC OS 5 source code release revealed:

adh1003: The point about this not being 'Open Source' is made on ROOL's website. I was rather argumentative in a previous discussion about a proposed license, having objected to it being called Open Source. I'm glad that ROOL have made it nice and obvious on their website.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/9/06 11:53PM
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On Intel wheels out 1.2GHz XScale family:

dgs: I've not upgraded, because I'm no longer that serious about using RISC OS. I've found other OS's and other apps to enjoy, so that paying for an Iyonix I wouldn't use would just be an act of charity towards Castle. About the only thing left that could grab my attention back to RISC OS would be if they Open Sourced it and I were able to experiment freely with the code.

Re the price, after the early adopters have paid full price, you either need to drop the price to encourage those with lesser budget, or market it to new people willing to pay the full price.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/9/06 3:11PM
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On Scientologists eyed up RISC OS - new claim:

If you've not yet felt the power of the almighty flying spagetti monster, then your time on earth has been wasted.

I've been touched by his noodly apendage.

What has this to do with RISC OS? Nothing. Perhaps it'll end up in Archive.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/09/06 8:51PM
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On Scientologists eyed up RISC OS - new claim:

nodoid: But no one has called Scientology a religion, in the article or the comments?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/09/06 5:59PM
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On Scientologists eyed up RISC OS - new claim:

Pete: Yeah if charity doesn't work, devine intervention should help ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/9/06 4:17PM
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On September news round up:

bluenose: Hmm, I'm not really an expert in this sort of thing, but your suggesting sounds annoying implausible even to me. You'd need too modify both OSes so they could share the memory, hardware (such as HD controllers) without interupting each other, so that's a customised version of Linux specific to that hardware. A customised X server to output graphics info accross a 'new magic bridge' between the two OSes, the same bridge would have to pass keyboard/mouse events back to the linux half.

All of this may be possible with huge amounts of money. But still it would be cheaper for RISC OS users to buy a standalone x86 linux box, that runs so much faster than a 1.2GHz ARM box, for just the same applications.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/9/06 6:00PM
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On Hallas to study history of Acorn PhD:

Castle Technology 0 RISCOS Ltd 0 Element 14 15

Your Apple one seem wrong. Apple Computer 3847

Some more for comparison

Sun Microsystems 14805 Hewlett Packard 51694 (famous for having a huge and diverse patent portfolio) Silicon Graphics 985 Digital Equipment Corp 7238 Nvidia 498 ATI 394 Texas Instruments 35917

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 14/09/06 3:04PM
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On New Acorn reveals PC laptop website:

druck: If you want a legal injunction, might I suggest you contact MSDW and ask them to do it, rather than all this hand waving.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 8/9/06 1:34PM
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On New Acorn reveals PC laptop website:

em2ac: follow the link in the article above, it has a 'preview' of the coming site. [link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/9/06 5:26PM
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On ROS fan loses Acorn domain in dispute:

cables: Yes had he been able to present evidense as to that argument he might well have won, but he didn't, so he didn't. The decision is just based on the evidense presented, which was one sided.

But perhaps the biggest problem Roy Johnson made was putting the words 'Acorn Computers Ltd' in big letters on his site, he probably never had the right to associate with that name. Had he just put 'Acorn Computers' on it, there would have been a lot less of a problem. His second issue was being non contactable, as mediation may have allowed him to keep the site as long as he removed references to 'Acorn Computers Ltd'.

Unjust? in the grand scheme of things, perhaps. Legal, well thought out desicion, yes. Read the full report if you've not had the chance yet, it's interesting reading.

Also, whilst distastful to those here, it has (at least to me, though not fully legally as nominet dispute resolution is not a court) proved that the new Acorn have a legal right to use the name 'Acorn'. Whether they have the right to associate their brand with the work of the old Acorn is still up for debate ... by MSDW/Cabot 2/4. I have no right to crusade against them on MSDWs behalf, and doing so would open myself up to legal action, from the new Acorn and from MSDW.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/9/06 1:45PM
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On ROS fan loses Acorn domain in dispute:

Nominet are generally fair and cheap (no lawyers required) at domain name dispute resolution. All this article points out is the importance of keeping your contact details with Nominet up to date.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/9/06 12:28PM
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On New Acorn reveals PC laptop website:

How anyone could link the two is beyond me, the new company seem to be good at marketing.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/9/06 12:25PM
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On Open sourcing RISC OS won't help says ROL:

"To develop RISC OS requires customers, developers and cash.", well one out of 3 ain't bad. Keep up the good work Paul, but just remember the customers might go away if Select 4 never appears.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 4/9/06 12:34AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

Your point of "won't developers moan if they have to develop for more than one architecture" is a tad moot. In autumn 1992 Acorn estimated there were 200,000 active RISC OS users. In spring 2006 Paul Middleton estimated there were 6,000 active RISC OS users. If that number never goes higher than 6,000 it's not worth the effort of developer doing *any* development. If supporting more than one architecture gets them more sales, developers will support more than one architecture.

I also note with amusement the changes in your argument between your two large posts.

Oh and by the way Itanium isn't an x86 architecture chip, it is its own, it also has x86 compatability instructions as well as the IA-64 ones, but the OSes that were compiled up for Itanium use the IA-64 ones not the x86 ones.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 02/09/06 02:04AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

Are you taking the piss?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 01/09/06 6:13PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

and then to itanium

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 01/09/06 11:45AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

Loris: 'real' OSes are not architecture-specific.

Windows (NT4 the precursor to 2000 and XP) ran on Alpha, Mips, and Sparc, later versions run on Itanium too. Macs have run on 68000, PowerPC and x86 Linux The BSDs Solaris (Sparc and x86) AIX (Itanium, Power PC and others) HP-UX (PA-Risc and Itanium) Amiga OS (68000 and PowerPC)

And in the embedded market Nucleus Epoc/Symbian WinCE/Pocket PC Linux (again)

I think the trickier question is to ask, which 'real' operating systems only supports one architecture?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 31/08/06 7:31PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

hEglia: Oregano 3 (and 2 and 1) do use Open Source components, the JPEG/GIF/PNG libraries, the font renderer, the Javascript libraries are all off the shelf open source components.

timepheonix: What if they have no money to invest?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/08/06 12:46AM
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On RISC OS 4 caught on Mac OS X:

Spriteman: The SA RPC is about 200 mips, 5mips is just over the speed of an ARM 2.

em2ac: Yes you could get Virtual RPC Adjust for Mac OS, just one problem, they don't sell it. It has been demostrated at various shows, but just like the Linux version that's also been shown, it's not for sale.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 29/8/06 12:40PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

jess: freetype2, free to use in commercial products, portable in C across a huge range of OSs and platforms, real open source. People already have a more suitable alternative to the RISC OS font rendering system. Whether you debate over which is the 'better' antialiasing system, most people can't tell and don't care.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 23/08/06 11:04AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

I've decided to hold off commenting on this further until I see more info from Castle/Whomever. But you can guess from my previous comments that I find the 'offer' so far rather half hearted ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/08/06 12:45AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

druck: I don't think anyones suggested that if it isn't GPL it isn't worth touching. A few people, myself included, seem to be worried that the license suggested seem exploitative, unbalanced and very limiting.

What's being suggested isn't an open license, it's a commercial software license where they don't have to pay the developers.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/08/06 11:03AM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

<rant> We'd like contributions from the public, we won't pay you for it, we will expect the (c), we'll not give you all the source to make something usable, we expect you to pay to use the OS you're writing, we won't let you use the code in things we consider bad. </rant>

And the scary thing is, there are some RISC OS fans who like it so much, you will get help.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 21/08/06 3:29PM
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On CinoDVD project paused:

martin: A computer is for everything that RISC OS can do.

A computer is not for everything that RISC OS can not do.

Was that what you're trying to say ;)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/8/06 5:40PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

markee174: 58 licenses including all the ones you mention fit this definition, [link] have you read it yet, I've mentioned it 3 times now?

There are aditional responsibilities with some licenses, but they do not contradict the points in that definition.

The complexity of commercial and open source licensing comes from this, "If Castle were to accept code from members of the public under the terms of an open source license, Castle would not own the copyright on those contributions, they would have to ask permission to distribute them in a commercial product".

The OpenOffice project gets around that issue by asking contributors to assign copyright to Sun (who own the rest of OpenOffice) so Sun can sell their StarOffice product. As you'd expect with your work that you provided for free being used to make a company profit, it's not universally liked.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/08/06 6:22PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

markee174: Your last post is entirely correct with regards for licensing. But it's worth remembering tha a GPL license hasn't prevented Linux becoming probably the most popular embedded OS out there (even though there might be more suitable choices), and it has no commercial version for those that want to avoid the GPL. This is because although the GPL requires changes to the kernel to be made available under the GPL, the applications, where most companies work exists (in the embedded market) do not have to be licensed under the GPL. Lots of commercial companies are willing to put up with submitting the few hundred lines of changes they made to the kernel for free in exchange for not having to pay a license on each of the thousands of units they ship.

It's difficult to argue for a pure open source RISC OS without saying "what's in it for Castle"

It's difficult to argue for a non pure open source RISC OS without saying "what's in it for the contributors"

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/8/06 5:52PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

SimonC: MySQL sell support services related to their product, and fully certified versions that large enterprises need to make the their risk management people happy.

sa110: In theory it might solve some of the compatability issues, if freely redistributable versions of some of the code that is different between versions 4 and 5 was available as a softload on the other, programmers could write to one API and all versions would be able to run their code.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/8/06 3:11PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

markee174: If Castle were to grant me code under the BSD license (I presume the DSD was a typo) I would still be able to do what I wished with it without paying them a fee. Read the license here, [link] Dual licensing allows people to choose which of the two licenses to be bound by, it would not allow Castle to say, use this one when I tell you, or this other one when I tell you. The other 57 licenses listed here [link] would also not allow Castle to charge a license fee.

What is suggested above in the article is a commercial software model which uses public contributions, in which the code is viewable but contributors have no guaranteed rights to it, it is not an open source model. Microsoft has released the source code to several programs under terms similar to this.

If Castle want to Open Source RISC OS, they should. If they want to keep it commercial, they should. But by confusing the two whilst making up 'Yet another license' will confuse and limit contributions, the 'Open Source' community [1] is very vocal and will have no issues vilifying Castle if Castle were to claim their commercial license was 'Open Source'. Whereas that very community is the one you wish to engage if you want to leverage their huge skills base [2].

[1] The FSF, OSI, OSDN, Sourceforge, Slashdot etc etc etc. [2] I know of several former RISC OS programmers that currently work on Open Source projects that could be temtped back in to the fold if RISC OS were to be open sourced.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/8/06 3:02PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

markee174: "so that most commercial clients would have to use the commercial version", if it's dual licensed there's nothing you could do to stop a commercial client using the GPLd version (or any other license that follows the open-source definition [link]).

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/8/06 2:31PM
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On Castle considering open sourcing RISC OS:

simo: A license fee wouldn't be enforceable with any of the traditional open-source licenses such as GPL or BSD [link]

For those commenting that open sourcing it won't necessarily sort out all the problems or be perfect what's the alternative? If the article is correct and Castle no longer have their engineers and with ROL output of Select completely absent for years, what is there to lose?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/8/06 12:59PM
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On RiscPC prototype kit in auction:

jc: Get on with a magazine, purveyor of pamphlets

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 2/6/06 2:39PM
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On RISC OS found on Pocket PC PDA:

3 mips is 3/4 the speed of an A310, you can get a good performance boost out of slow emulators by changing the wimp font to System and turning out the background texture in the windows. Add to that considerably faster filesystem access and you have a platform that will be of use for at least some limited tasks.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 1/6/06 12:50PM
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On RISC OS 3 caught running on Amiga hardware:

bluenose: The Oregano 3 delivery date is unrelated to any Sony work.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 22/5/06 12:46PM
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On Wakefield 2006 show report:

markee174: RISC OS is so far ahead of Windows, that thousands of users are deserting Microsoft and starting afresh with RISC OS every year. This is in part due to the wonderful support from Risc OS Ltd who release new features for the OS on a monthly basis.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 17/05/06 8:37PM
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On Wakefield 2006 show report:

SimonC: The markets for Linux and Mac OS are hundreds of times larger than RISC OS, considerably larger than RISC OS market has ever been. Linux is also easier to develop for that RISC OS (though I've no experience of developing for Mac OS).

Whilst it's nice as a developer to to have a 'captive' audience that has no alternative programs, thus allowing them to charge any price they like *, it's not very nice for the users.

* with a Supply/demand curve telling them that they could selling 5 copies at 100ukp or 3 copies at 200ukp, there's more money and less support costs (related to number of users) associated with charging the higher price.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 17/05/06 3:13PM
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On Wakefield 2006 show report:

markee174: Windows has left RISC OS for dead, the estimated 4000 active RISC OS users (PM @ ROUGOL 15/5/2006) is roughly similar to the number of Windows users in one hospital in Leicester. Some of the reasons it has done this is because, beyond those 4000 people, no one gives a f*&k about RISC OS. It's easier to program for windows, and you get more money for it, oh and you stand a chance that in 5 years time there will still be a market for you to sell too.</realitycheck>

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 17/05/06 2:30PM
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On Acorn brand name in PC laptop launch:

timephoenix: that's a very good summary, thanks for finding it.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 11/05/06 11:04AM
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On VirtualAcorn expand emulator range:

Of course, I suspect there's more software that doesn't work on the SA due to the split data and instructon caches than software that was written for SA only. Though I doubt they're emulating the split cache (or any cache at all), so this is probably the best of both worlds.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 11/5/06 10:50AM
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On Dispute over 'intrusive' VRPC copy protection:

sascott: So if the EULA is in the box or on the CD itself, how do you return the box unopened?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 02/05/06 11:09AM
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On Dispute over 'intrusive' VRPC copy protection:

bobloblaw: You're right, cracked copies of VARPC have been floating around various P2P networks for many months, the only people that don't have an easy to install copy are those that legitimatly paid for it.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 01/05/06 11:18PM
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On VA5000 resources archive online:

edonkey

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 10/4/06 3:04PM
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On Software news:

joty: I would give you Daniel's email addy, but I can't find one for you either :)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 3/4/06 8:20PM
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On Software news:

Just to point out a slight issue with the article, Daniel Clarke's QEMU work is independant of Nick Burrett's/Peter Naull's SWI magic version of QEMU and not based upon it as the article says.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 3/4/06 12:00PM
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On Inside an unofficial Shared C Library:

cmj: Under the GPL, RISC OS Ltd, Castle (and everyone else on the planet) would be free to use, distribute, bundle with machines, include in ROMs and modify the code. Their only obligation is that they must provide the source to modified versions that they distribute. Given Graham's version would pretty much solve their compatability issues that's not a lot to ask in return. Note: this is because of the extra exemptions of the libgcc clause, that effectively negate the 'viral' aspects of the GPL that buisnesses generally have a problem with.

In otherwords, feel free to pressure ROL and Castle to use this version.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 21/3/06 11:26AM
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On RiscPC emulator ported to Linux:

bucksboy: Due to the method used in emulation, interpreting each instruction as opposed to 'Just in Time' compiling, RPCemu and arcem run at a slower speed than VARPC. However you should rememeber that even VARPC started out in life as an interpreted system called Red Squirrel. The method's for HD access are not CPU bound and even interpretted systems will offer stagering speeds compared to native RO hardware. The 'disk acceleration', you talk about is nothing more than the underlying OS caching recent files in free memory, a feature that would provide a huge speed boost to native RO if Castle/ROL even get around to it.

As for Video Acceleration, VARPC/Red Squirrel use DirectX which provides a hardware independant way of using more advanced features of graphics cards (with software versions of the same code, if the hardware doesn't support it). A common accelerated feature that I believe is used in VARPC is Blitting, very rapidly copying a section of memory (representing the RPC's screen graphics) into the video cards VRAM, and thus the screen. Tom would be able to use DirectX himself if he wants similar graphics performance, but at the moment he's using the Allegro graphics library that has a few advantages too, including multi OS support and a simpler programming API.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 14/3/06 4:45PM
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On Select subscribers offered fig leaf:

chrisj: Yep that's the way to go, the only real loss is the convenience of one drive.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/3/06 4:24PM
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On Select subscribers offered fig leaf:

Select only doesn't load on 3.7 because ROL softloader doesn't allow it. Other softloaders load Select perfectly well on top of 3.7. But of course you need an old format disk (<77 files per dir and short filenames) to boot Select off, so you lose some of the advantages of 4.02 and later.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/3/06 3:47PM
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On RISC OS emu ported to games console:

druck, I look forward to your ARM on ARM JIT patch for ArcEm.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/2/06 12:43PM
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On RISC OS fan in legal hot water over spoof website:

Hmm, with regards to the current contents of <a href="[link]">oft.me.uk</a>, it's not a good read.

It would be nice if in the midst of all the name calling I could see an argument as to why Microsoft should be investigated or punished, or even what Tarquin suggests could be done to fix this bad situation.

Also I've noted in parodies it's important to get your spelling and grammar mostly correct, this is particulaly important when parodying Chocky.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/2/06 3:42PM
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On RISC OS fan in legal hot water over spoof website:

What a muppet.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/2/06 11:54AM
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On News in brief:

I'm curious, why are the public that read Drobe and the public that read newsgroups so different?

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 27/1/06 11:31AM
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On RISCOS.org joins pixel ad bandwagon:

Gasp, I have been shown the money! :)

However I'm allowed break the contract and give the money to charity, so I shall.

[link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 26/1/06 11:36AM
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On RISCOS.org joins pixel ad bandwagon:

Show me the money! :)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 20/1/06 10:51AM
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On RISCOS.org joins pixel ad bandwagon:

Spam on newsgroups to advertise an overpriced advertising medium, surely something to be applauded. By Pauls pricing his 'Advertise Here' logo would cost 1000 pounds per year. I'm sure there are better and cheaper ways for RISC OS companies to advertise. Hey they could send their spam to csa.announce as well, it worked for Paul he got a drobe article out of it. Hey, I know, for 100 quid you can buy my drobe avatar and url. I promise I'll post on every article this year.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 19/1/06 4:56PM
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On Classic adventure and shooter games republished on CD:

DS1: I think it's more that those left aren't game players. For a while, the early to mid 1990's, there were enough games to keep the kids (all of ages) interested. Games are important to me in choosing a new computer, which is why RISC OS cannot currently be my only OS.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 7/12/05 4:32PM
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On Transport Tycoon Deluxe clone port released:

Remember, quad track lines between coal power stations and coal mines = BIG MONEY :)

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 18/11/05 2:07PM
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On Unique StrongARM NC in auction:

I hope Chris Whytehead does manage to win it. He's currently the high bidder. As then it's likely more photos and info will appear on his Acorn Computer pages [link] He's always been helpful to me when I've had any questions.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 28/10/05 1:44PM
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On South East 2005 show report:

sa100: Re the bits on the Iyonix, although working up to a point, Paul Middleton didn't consider them to a standard that could be released even as a Beta test. He demostrated, even seemed proud, that Select !Paint crashed on the Iyonix. Also I got the impression in the talk that softloading a whole Select Iyonix romimage (as Select on the RPC works) was his prefered way to go, as oposed to the current softloading of individual modules.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/05 3:43PM
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On South East 2005 show report:

The move to 32bit has been going on quite some time, the Select on the Iyonix being demonstrated was dated Aug 2004.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/10/05 2:46PM
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On Oregano 3 survives user group meeting:

"Care to address my points?"

Sure, "a few months" and "before the end of the year" are not mutally exclusive.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 03/08/05 2:25PM
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On Oregano 3 survives user group meeting:

If Oregano3 has never had a stated release date, how can it slip? People may wish that it was already released, but that's not quite the same.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 01/08/05 3:46PM
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On Castle spills beans on ROL dispute:

"IMHO CTL don't want VA(RPC) marketed", Bernie.

Another way of looking at it could be that Virtual Acorn is bringing in a lot of money to ROL, Castle would only get a smallish percentage of that (the license fee that goes from ROL to Castle (previously Pace)). By making it very expensive Castle could have been trying to get ROL to stop suppling VirtualAcorn with RISC OS so that VirtualAcorn would buy a version of RISC OS direct from Castle. This might make Castle more per unit than the license cost from ROL.

Just a thought, and rather sound from a buisness point of view.

Peter

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 23/06/04 12:20AM
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On Again with the laptops:

em2ac: No, there is no current way to make VARPC start up without windows. Windows provides the hardware abstracted Video and Sound output, Keyboard input, network stack, filing system and the ability to print and use a floppy drive. You yourself maybe able to live without these things of course.

Peter

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 08/12/03 4:38PM
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On Please Stop the Madness:

It would be commercially viable if it sold well on other platforms.

And as RISC OS is so obviously ahead of every other OS on every platform ever, it would sell in millions if not billions ...

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 11/11/03 6:11PM
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On VirtualRiscPC network upgrade pulled:

It doesn't matter.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 03/11/03 10:45PM
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On VirtualRiscPC network upgrade pulled:

Hmm, I think we can all agree the world would be a better place with more space lego.

Everyone knows the best computer was this ...

[link]

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 03/11/03 5:37PM
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On RISCOS Ltd. AGM:

flibble slaps chocky ... that's my line.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 15/09/03 12:12AM
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On Peer-to-peer filesharing touches down:

"RISC OS folk just aren't into warez!"

ha ha, ha ha ha

<fx>ooof</fx>

sI need to get a lower chair.

 is a RISC OS Userflibble on 24/04/03 2:48PM
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